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yankel berel
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@somejew

somejew to yb :

You push the zionist propaganda that the Arab world want to mass murder all Jews while conveniently ignoring the clear truth that this fear is a direct explicit result of Zionist political activity in the region, turning our traditional friends and supporters in the Muslim world into our enemies. I can’t know what ‘s in the hearts of those non-Jewish nations, but the words they say align with historical precedence that they only have issue with zionists, not (per se) Jews.

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Your claims here seem to come from another planet.

Ask the Druze about the reliability of what comes out of Arab Leaders mouths.

Ask the Alawites .

Ask the Kurds.

Ask the Yazidi’s.

Ask the xtians .

The Hamas supporters in Europe claim that the jews will have to choose between the coffin and suitcase.

Thats what they say now.

And what will happen if there [for some silly technical reason] is no option of suitcase ?

And what will the average Arab do when his leader is overthrown and there is no obvious replacement ?

Who do you speak to then ?

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The real reason you do not take any of this into account is like I wrote:

According to you the whole existence of IDF is yehareig ve’al yaavor, meaning that even if [chvsh] millions of innocents would be barbarically slaughtered , you still would close down the IDF .

So thats why you have the liberty to come up with total nonsensical non solutions .

You anyway ARE NOT CARRYING THE RESPONSIBILTY OF PIKUACH NEFESH on your shoulders .

This is crystal clear from your whole approach .

And on top of it, we heard it from your own mouth , claiming to rely on some [still] source less agadic maharal , contradicting clear poskim clearly traced back to gemara without holek , and poskim without any preconditions.

So this whole discussion , according to you, is anyway totally irrelevant !

Summary :

one side is attempting to have real responsible pikuach nefesh discussion based on cold reality as it is now

while

the other side has bekalut da’at dismissed the pikuach nefesh side of it and therefore comes up with clear flippant theories [supposedly based on long gone history] on which the originator himself would not dream to rely on if it would pertain to his very own little daughter’s health and wellbeing.
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