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yankel berel
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@somejew

it’s impossible that you smell other people’s dishonesty when you yourself are enveloped by the smell of your own dishonesty.

smelly people cannot smell other people.

you do not know me at all – how could you state that I don’t care about what sh’a and avnei nezer say .

that statement of yours is obviously as unfounded as all of your other statements and interpretations of the torah

and as unfounded as your interpretations of the reality in front of us , which is essential in every other she’ela in the torah .

someone who does not know how a new appliance works, is totally unqualified to rule on its permissibility for shabbat even if he knows hilchot shabbat ba’al peh.

same here .

Lol.
you yourself mr somejew vehemently argued that hashmatat tur , hasmatat mishneh torah , hashmatat sh’a , hasmatat nosei keilim does not count ….

yet hashmatat rabbanim who do not quote avnei nezer suddenly does count …

who exactly in your opinion should bring avnei nezer and did not ?

Rav shlome zalman auerbach ?
who is documented directing specific individuals in specific circumstances to enlist ?
who took rav kooks haskama for his sefer maadanei erets and put it before rav zonnefelds haskama ?
he should have quoted avnei nezer ? and since he doesn’t, its proof that he disagrees ?

the rebbeim of gur who are known to be noheg lemaaseh like avnei nezer the gdol haposkim in poland , they should have quoted him ? and since they don’t, its proof that they disagree ?

or rav elyashiv whose mesader kidushin was rav kook and was known to be mocheh whenever someone spoke disparagingly about him , he should have quoted avnei nezer ? and since he doesn’t, its proof that he disagrees ?

listen, I am not a hasid of rav kook and I do not learn his agada sfarim , and I agree that he was controversial and understand the hitnagdut against him
but b’h I am not that narrowminded to totally deny the existence of approaches I disagree with

avnei nezer wrote what he wrote .
avnei nezer cannot somehow be dismissed .
avnei nezer was bothered by hashmatat haposkim

if somejew doesnt like it , then he should grow up.

are there holkim on avnei nezer ? yes.

is avnei nezer therefore batel umevutal ? no.

cant see what’s so difficult , that somejew has to start with personal accusations and all sorts of dirty intimidations of kfira , biters of talmidei hahamim etc etc

somejew should keep his arguments to the matter at hand .

he will do his own reputation a service .
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