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IzoBar: The Jews living in the Arab countries for thousands of years before Zionism, lived there *relatively* peacefully for thousands of years. Yes, there were exceptions every now and then and you cited to examples. But you don’t have that many examples.

If you want, you can find prominent examples of antisemitism even in the US, the Leo Frank case, Henry Ford, Father Charles Coughlin, etc. Do you consider Americans to be antisemites?

The truth is we are living in Golus, and in Golus antisemitism is the rule and not the exception. Everywhere in Golus antisemitism is to be expected, from the time our bitter Golus began 2,000 years ago about through today. And that applies everywhere; in Europe (most prominently), in the Arab countries, in the State of Israel and in the United States and elsewhere.

By contrast, Jews living in Europe experienced murderous violent antisemitism every Monday and Thursday. Not to mention that the Europeans from Rome destroyed the Bais Hamikdash and attempted their first genocide in Yerushalayim and Eretz Yisroel; and not long thereafter Bar Kochba revolt they crushed. And ever since.

Compare how the Jews in Spain fared. Under Muslim rule the Jews in Spain lived in the golden age; when the Christians took over Spain, the Jews faced violence, forced conversions to Christianity and, finally, expulsion and the Inquisition with Jews being burnt at the stake.

The Europeans committed the Crusades multiple times, blood libels ongoing for centuries and centuries, expulsions of Jews from almost every European country that had Jews, at one time or another (including England, Spain, Portugal, Germany, France, etc.) over hundreds of years, confined to ghettos throughout Europe,, blamed for the Black Death persecutions, murdering 100,000 Jews in Tach V’Tat/Khmelnytsky Massacres in Ukraine, Dreyfus Affair, Protocols of the Elders of Zion, many murderous Pograms, etc. etc. etc.

And, of course, the biggest of them all, the Holocaust, when Europe murdered 6,000,000 Jews just a few decades ago, with survivors of that still alive with us today.

Indeed, the whole European Christian Church is explicitly built upon the claim that the Jews killed their “god”; and what on earth can be worse than killing “god”. So the Europeans had a ready-made excuse to justify their centuries and millenia of anti-Jewish violence, murder and genocide.

The Arabs never came close to the above; not even a drop in the bucket, by comparison. The reality is that Jews lived under Arab rule for thousands of years, prior to the advent of Zionism, *mostly* peacefully.

Indeed, by comparison, throughout Golus, from all the places that many Jews resided in, those living under Arab rule fared the best; far better than the countries that had many Jews outside the Arab lands.

Unlike the Jews in Europe.