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katan > As it is, the Zionists SAVED lots of people, you wrote? The Zionists are responsible for death and destruction, physical and spiritual, of millions of Jews since they started over a century ago (including the Holocaust). An arsonist could run over with a fire hose and put out a little bit of the fire that burned down a big building that the arsonist, himself started – to use the Satmar Rav’s mashal.

You start going specific and then regress to general rhetoric. Try to stay on topic. There are specific large groups of people saved due to Zionists and Medinah either physically or spiritually from assimilation (we have R Schach to confirm that it matters by his analysis that Arab anti-semitism was calused by danger of Zionist assimilation): pre-war arrivals from Europe, post WW2 survivors, Sephardim in 1950-60s, Rusim in 1970-90s. American BTs who were excited about 6-day war. Who did they destroy? As I mentioned before, my theory is that it was a choice for non-religious Jews to be a Zionist, a Bundist, a Communist, or a gvir in Amerika. I don’t think there were people who contemplated between becoming a Stamar chusid or a kibutznik. Zionism was the best choice for their survival.