Oomis – “If the ENTIRE real world is a makom sakana, we all may as well climb into a hole and wait for Moshiach to come.”
Actually there was a gadol who said to yeshiva guys (no I don’t know who and I can’t prove that he said it) THe whole world is a mabul and you are in the teivah. There is a concept of when the world becomes too corrupt to seperate yourself from the world. My guess for a source would be a rashi in bereishis about ashur leaving and building a city. Tell me if you need me to find it.
“We have to make a Tikkun Olam, and that is NOT accomplished, no matter what one may think, solely by sitting in one place and not striving to do things that change the world” – that’s your problem. You don’t realize that torah learning changes worlds!
“And btw, if the world is such a makom sakana, why on EARTH are the kollel men sending their precious wives out into it to put themselves in such sakana, earning a living that the yungerleit themselves are not earning, in order to avoid the sakana themselves?”
Let’s get this straight. I never said that the reason sit and learn is to avoid the sakana of going out to the world. All I said was that your idea of learning torah when faced with sakana is more valuable and therefore… was errouneous. People learn because (for them) learning is the right thing to do.
Now as a seperate point you may want to know about the sakana of going out into the
world which applies to both men and ladies (but is not the men saying better that you put yourself into sakana than me). And yes, when choosing a job you do have to weigh the different factors, interaction between the genders, environment, office discusion, travel how and with whom, etc.