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NOTPASHUT,

With all do respect you are missing the point,

If there are rabbonim on both sides of an argument I or anyone else have the right to demand that one side either prove there position logicly or show me a mekor that can only mean what they are saying is true.

If they cannot do this then you (or they) have no right to call me an apikoros (or any other name for that matter!) for not trusting there judgement or not listening to them. You can listen and beleive what they say yourself obviosly, however you cannot blame others for questioning there judgement or not beleiving them when they dont bring clear proofs to there positions (either via logic or a mekor).

However in most cases chareidim will demand that you listen, beleive and not argue with there rabbonim even when they fail to explain there logic or show you a mekor that can only mean what they say, no matter how radical or how little logical sense it makes, because they have “daas torah” or because “we must listen to our gedolim”.

They will also generaly have no problem belittling someone on the basis of what a rov of theres said is either an apikoros, min or tipish ect. without honestly hearing both sides of the issue and waying the arguments before comming to a decision.

If you wish to say you cannot make any (logical) decisions on your own then how and why on earth did you decide to follow the rabbonim you do follow?