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Since this post is about me I must reply to flatbush27. First of all I am not a bachur I am an Avrech. You shouldn’t make assumptions about people you don’t know. (Especially because all of your assumptions are wrong.) The same way I wouldn’t make an assumption about you since I don’t know you. There is no comparison between smoking and the Internet. I am not sure where you get the notion that there is a comparison. The Internet is Asur for the Tzibur in E’Y who have chosen to live a different lifestyle then their brethren in Chutz Laretz. Go to any halacha shiur for Amreicans in Israel and you will find many things which the poskim of Eretz Yisrael are very Machmir on, Which we Toshvei Chutz are not Machmir for, especially since we are mostly somech on the Psak of Rav Moshe. The facts are that most Avrechim in the Mir have American lines as well as Internet in their apartments. Obviously the Internet has both Maolos and Chasronos but every yid is a Neman is not yours or my place to judge what they are doing on the Internet. You don’t know where I come from. (thankfully not the Tri-State area) The Internet is my connection the outside world. I use it for News, Information, Paying Bills, and Investing. There is nowhere in the Torah Bksav or Bal Peh where it says those things are Asur. Smoking a Ciggarette is with out a doubt an issur Medoraisa of more then one lav. When you add on the effect of smoking in front of someone else it adds many more issurim.

In your original post on this thread, you are concerned that someones spirituality is more important then their physical health. If you actually read my original post and actually read what I said, you would have seen that the message is that smoking in front of others is the worst form of destroying your spirituality. Being Oiver inyanim in Bein Adam Lchavero and causing a Chillul Hashem and Bezayon Hatorah are issurim that Yom Kippur is not MECHAPER for. What kind of oinshim can you expect in Shamyim for causing harm to a fellow yid. There are many pitfalls that one can run into on the Internet and I would hope no one ever does, but at least that person has the chance to correct any mistake he did by doing Teshuva. Unfortunately some one who harms others does not have that opportunity unless the other person is Moichel him and he pays that person the necessary damages that the Torah teaches us the Nizak is owed. My whole point is that is Pashut that someone who learns Torah all day should have the common sense not to harm others while he is smoking. Out Torah is a Toras Chaim you can be the biggest Masmid in the world who unfortunately is addicted to smoking, which the Torah that you are learning says is assur. When someone see’s you on the street with your black hat or long payos, you are representing the Torah you are learning. By smoking in public you are demonstrating that you have learnt nothing and that those that you follow have taught you nothing. That is an outright Chillul Hashem as far as I am concerned. If that is not true then any self respecting smoker who thinks he is a Yarei Shamyim should please smoke in private where no one can see him and eventually try very hard to quit.

If you and others really care about others spirituality, then you should speak up about the Chilul Hashem of supposedly Yeshivish people smoking recklessly with out regard for any one else.