You know, you could look at the Gemaras. Could you do that for us, and see what some of them are talking about? And see if they are comparable to the Gemara in Taanis?
Maybe Shaul actually cut off some guys head?
Maybe Chazal cursed the other to die? (Or lose their eyeballs – just like the Gemara in Taanis, via a curse?)
Right, so when you said ” see Chazon Ish” , you didn’t mean anything he actually wrote – you meant see a storybook about him. Ok. And you assumed we knew that. That misleading, but ok.
Now for some beautiful context- Sandhedrin can dish our whatever onesh it wants for whatever. There is a din that one is beaten for not listening to beis din. And if you don’t listen, you get hit again. Until – well, you’re dead. Hence this story about the Chazon Ish. But that is a method of enforcement of ANYTHING the sanhedrin decides. They also killed someone for pulling off a branch on shabbos and another case, who was merely a drabban. The actual onesh is not death; not listening to the supreme body of Halacha is – like a zaken mamrey.
That’s a Gemara. But if you want a real source, maybe it’s in some artscroll biography.
I suppose most of our girls , even those horrible horrible short skirt wearing ones (many who have been told that if they are not attractive are not worthy of existing – by the media, and ultimately by the frum male population in it’s subtle requests in the world of shidduchim), would listen to a Sanhedrin of the greatest Talmidey Chachamim in the generation telling them not to wear something specific.
Problem is that we don’t have that clarity, even if most Rabbonim forbid something, there is no Din Sanhedrin on them. While I do wish our girls ( and please, there is no “us” and “them”) would dress differently, I am not so arrogant as to wish death upon them. I wish them a year of health, wealth, spiritual success & self-esteem – and then tzinius will grow by itself, without me needing to burn any tires. Yitamu Chataim, and not Yitamu Chotim. Of course, Beruriah was a girl.
And maybe see those Gemaras?
Great, I’ve had to say something logical again.
So yes, tzinius is important, yes there’s a problem – and I’m not in the slightest interested in discussing it, merely to laugh at the discussion – but can we leave corporal punishment out of it?