Sorry Mods but there was a lot of posts before Shabbos.
g_a_w:
No one is entitled to be supported, and no one has the excuse to be an Ani by choice and therefore require support.
Absolutely. The exception being that klal Yisroel has a responsibility to support those that are learning Torah since it is something that benefits the klal.
Prove to me the Tolna Rebbe is a gadol, please.
Sure, just tell me what the required criteria in your eyes are to become one.
SJS:
There is a famous mashul from the Chofetz Chaim comparing hishtadlus to trying to push a train. It accomplishes nothing in and of itself it is only an illusion that a person needs to maintain based on his level of bitachon. Hence we find stories of lets say Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld who the night before Yom Tov closed his gemarah walked down the block picked up money off the ground and went home. On his level of bitachon the hishtadlus he needed for parnassah was minimal.
Similarly there is a story with the Shelah. He one time gave a drashah saying that with the proper bitachon a person could just go home and learn all day and the money would come to him. His brother in law who was a simple person was at the drashah and promptly left his work to say tehillim all day. His wife (the Shelah’s sister) went to the Shelah to complain. He told her that if he has bitachon, the money would come. Long story short, his wagon came back to him full of money.
Hishtadlus IS dropping money into your lap, no matter what your job is. The hishtadlus is just the medium through which Hashem is more likely to drop the money through.
The reason why you give the child starving in front of you is because his needs are immediate. But if the child is not directly in front to of you then I would say give the kollel man because his learning can help this child get food and if not this child then another child.
Itchesrulik:
This conversation has been going on long enoughthat I’m not sure what context you are referring to anymore.
anonforthis:
You are right. It could be their Torah. Because I don’t know, I think the best thing is to give money to any public Torah institution–such as a kollel.
The rest of the shevatim already accepted on themselves to be the Machzikei Torah of Shevet Levi. ie in the form of Trumos and Maaseros. Yissachar and Zevulun just took it a step further. You took what I said out of context- the position of the person I was answering said that it was wrong to support charities that discourage men from supporting their families, ie. kollelim. I compared this to Shevet Yissachar who did not support their families themselves but relied on Zevulun to do it.