Health:
We aren’t in the 2000 years of tohu anymore where Hashem is going to rebuild the world from a few families. We aren’t responsible for the choices the goyim make for themselves. The only time we need to intercede is when it will affect Yidden. I have been saying that all along.
The way I see it, there are two types of Yidden that this subject is nogeiah to. Those that have this taivah, and want to be oimeid b’nisayon and those that have this taivah and have no qualms about giving into their taivah.
In the first case, being able to marry the same gender does not have any appeal because they are trying to be koivesh their yetzer.
In the second case, not being able to marry the same gender wasn’t going to stop them from being oiver on the maiseh toeivah, so its irrelevant.
I am not saying that the fact that the Yidden in the second case are being oiver is not important. I am arguing that what is important is the cheit itself, not the marriage which is not even a heicha timtza to be oiver.
If you can give me a case where a Yid will be oiver an aveirah that he otherwise would not have been oiver because he is now able to marry the same gender, then I will agree with you right away. I just haven’t been able to think of such a case.
blueprints:
I haven’t conceded anything, you just haven’t understood what point I’ve been arguing about this whole time.