Reply To: What's the argument against having a Madina?

Health: If you would just consider the following

[1] It’s a mitzvah (or at least we are Halachlickly mandated) to establish a Medina in Israel (Ramban — mitzvos that the Rambam forgot — mitzvah 4; Rambam hilchos milachim perek 1 halacha 1).

[2] Im Timtzeh Lomar, that the Zionist movement are kofrim (which it isn’t, mind you; the entire Hesder and most Orthodox communities in America are Zionist), WE WOULD STILL NEED TO KEEP THE MEDINA.

I wish to make this abundantly clear; the current Medina in Israel is not at all “treif”. If you believe it is, I would greatly appreciate some sort of source or fact showing (or better yet, proving) that it is. But again, even if it is, it doesn’t matter.

Now you ask, “Hey, Abelleh. Where do you get that crazy idea from? If the Medina is against Torah values, of course we need to abandon it!” And then I would respond, “Well Health, if you look at Jewish history and Nach, we see all the time that the government in Israel is not at all religious, even anti-religious. Now, if we supported the government then, and I would like to note that not all of those times was the Beis Hamikdash extant, why shouldn’t we now? What changed Health?”

And you would respond how?