Abelleh -“[2] Im Timtzeh Lomar, that the Zionist movement are kofrim (which it isn’t, mind you; the entire Hesder and most Orthodox communities in America are Zionist), WE WOULD STILL NEED TO KEEP THE MEDINA.”
A good portion of the Frei Yidden in Israel are Kofrim and so is their gov. Who gave the MO’s permission to join hands with Kofrim? Even if they are just neighbors with them without any support whatsoever -it’s still Oy L’Resha V’oy L’schaino! You’re not allowed to support a Medina based on Kefira – acc. to the Torah, no matter who brainwashed you that you are!
“I wish to make this abundantly clear; the current Medina in Israel is not at all “treif”. If you believe it is, I would greatly appreciate some sort of source or fact showing (or better yet, proving) that it is. But again, even if it is, it doesn’t matter.”
And I wish to make it abundantly clear that eating pig is not at all “Treif”! If you believe it is, I would greatly appreciate some sort of source or fact showing (or better yet, proving) that it is. But again, even if it is, it doesn’t matter!
Everyday there are countless of Aveiros occuring in the “Medina”, such as Chillul Shabbos, eating Non-Kosher, etc., but who cares, right?
“Now you ask, “Hey, Abelleh. Where do you get that crazy idea from? If the Medina is against Torah values, of course we need to abandon it!” And then I would respond, “Well Health, if you look at Jewish history and Nach, we see all the time that the government in Israel is not at all religious, even anti-religious. Now, if we supported the government then, and I would like to note that not all of those times was the Beis Hamikdash extant, why shouldn’t we now? What changed Health?”
And you would respond how?”
If you look back at the times during those years when things weren’t being kept acc. to the Torah and we kept at it -this is why we Don’t have the Bais Hamikdash anymore. There was a reason Hashem took it away and it wasn’t because we had excellent behavior. The whole reason we even have documented all these incidents in the Nach is to learn from them. The reason it’s even called Novi -is because the Neeviim kept screaming to do Teshuva and noone listened. Making and having a Medina is doing all those mistakes all over again. Let me give you an example of how people can get blinded very easily and can’t even see an obvious lesson (or Musser Deherr!):
There was a son whose father was a drunk. He loved his father and wanted him to stop. One day he saw a drunkard (PBA -perhaps?)[:)]in the street and e/o was gathered around making fun of him. He quickly ran and called his father who was sober at the moment – to come and see to learn some Mussar. When the father got there -he bent down & asked the guy -“Hey what have you been drinking -it looks like some good stuff -I want to get some too!”