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rabbiofberlin
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ymb- (shmoel or josef under a diffent name ?) First, get your history right. Many nazis were caught and executed by the allies and many more were sent to prison. Becher lived and who knows, maybe he too , had a hand in saving jews. I was not there- neither were you-and so, you should refrain from issuing any definite condemnations or opinions. BTW- Eichmann was a special symbol and this why Israel mae every effort to catch him.

As far as Israel goes- you are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to your facts.Eretz Yisroel was always a magnet to jews who wanted to live in Eretz Yisroel and make ‘alyah”- yes- this is what R’Jehuda halevi, The Bartenura, the Ari ,the Bias josef , and so many others did-they made alyah to live in eretz Yisroel.

It is ‘min hashomaim” that there was a movement in the late nineteenth century to establish jewish sovereignity over eretz yisroel-that movement was actually called “chovevei tsion” -a fully orthodox movement and it became the zionist movement.I believe-unlike you- that EVERYTHING is “min hashomaim”- including the zionist movement. If the orthodox jews would have embraced zionism and made it their own- we would now have a really jewish medinah. Unfortunately- it didn’t happen and we are now faced with governments that are secular. BUT- we are the owners of Eretz Yisroel and we should act accordingly- and protect it -and our brothers and sisters- by doing everything we can to support the defenders of the so-called “evil’ medinah. it is only evil in your eyes- in our eyes, it is the embodiment of the age old promise of HKBH to return us to our homeland. So, you can exclude yourself from the medinah, you can have your opinions but you cannot have your facts. The facts are that over six million jews live there, Torah is thriving and all of this is possible because HKBH gave us the means to defend ourselves- the army. Live with it.