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rabbiofberlin: “zichmich- you probably don’t know that but your solution ids one of the proposed ones- namely to allow everyone to work LEGALLY but not spend any more money from the national treasury on the kollels. Do you know who opposes this? THE ROSHEI YESHIVA !! “
1]Which Roshei Yeshiva??? Please name some big names in the yeshiva world.
rabbiofberlin: “The chassidische rebbes- by contrast- are desperate to come to an accomodation with the government- becasue they realize that it is impossible to continue with the status quo.”
I am unaware of any chassidicher Rebbe that believes one should serve in the army. They only hold that their chassidim who aren’t going to sit in Kollel should work for a living. According to you, the chassidim who are repesented in the knesset by the Agudas Yisrael party shoud work with the goverment to find a solution, not oppose the committee or refuse to cooperate with them. [Litzman -Deputy Minister of Health (Agudas Yisrael)is a Ger Chassid and as was seen in the Yerushalayim elections for Mayor, Ger doesn’t give a hoot to what the Litvishe [or even other] chassidicher Gedolim say.]So even when they oppose breaking the status Quo, then that means the chassidicher Gedolim agree with the litvishe on this one.
rabbiofberlin: “As far as your statement-that serving in the army is against halacha- excuse me??? do you have any real source for this?”
According to many Chareidi Gedolim [even besides Satmar, Brisk, Toldos Aaron] held tthat one should’nt use force to take EY from the Goyim. Besides for the fact that it’s challenging to keep many mitzvos in the army properly. [As was reported, the IDF is lax in shmiras shabbos [example: they sometimes consider evicting Jews from settlements or Hilltops “pikuach nefesh”] They arew lax in kashrus, letting soldiers daven, lax in “Giluy Arayos” -and related laws, etc. Now the Dati Leumi Jews are perfectly allowed to follow their Rabbis view that none of the above is anything against halacha. But we Chareidim have OUR Rabbis who WE follow and their view of what the Torah allows or not is OUR Law. So if the IDF wants US Chareidim to join, they can and should make some accomadations for us. [Instead of being haughty and arrogant insisting we chareidim should follow their “Daas Torah”] Also don’t suggest Nachal is the solution for 20,000+ Chareidim -that’s a joke.