OneOfMany–
Apparently not 🙁
1) It’s not slaying a troll, it’s merely attacking one of the Hydra’s heads.
vochindik–
And here we go again…
Of course I wanted it to end, several posts ago in fact. But since you clearly can’t stand not to have the last word, here is your excuse for violating your earlier pledge not to continue; I guess this is your way of continuing.
Oh, please.
I know exactly what time of the year it is, and which Yomim Tovim are coming up.
I regret nothing I said here, and (believe it or not) am trying very hard to expose the bad faith you’ve engaged in throughout this entire discussion without personally attacking you.
My *only* point about dina dmalchusa in this discussion, is how it relates to this issue being discussed. We could have a six page discussion on just dina dmalchusa, and all its intracacies and various opinions, if we so wished. But that wasn’t where I was going. I was simply pointing out that there are shittos, probably in the majority and including RYSE, that interpersonal (and business) monetary issues aren’t covered under DDD. Nor are criminal statues covered across the board. If Congress passed a law requiring, under criminal penalty, that all Americans hang a picture of the POTUS on their wall, DDD would not require compliace with that law despite its being criminal in nature and even assuming it not being a violation of halacha.
A ridiculous example.
Per WHICH poskim?
And you are saying that Rav Belsky and any other posek who says dmd applies for things other than taxes and counterfeiting is arguing with the Shulchan Aruch? If so, I don’t believe you.
Furthermore, I won’t even loo up the Shulchan Aruch now because:
b) Almost every single reference that you have supplied until now that I looked up has been misrepresented by you, either thru distortion or omission.
Rav Shapiro said that per RYSE the tnai itself is acceptable to be used but that RYSE never indicated that the buyer ever agreed and is therefore subject to the tnai — and that he is not, in fact.
Here’s the quote:
Also, all three rabbonim I have discussed (unlike Rav Belsky) do allow the individual to trust his own judgement as to whether he would or would not have purchased the CD (or other IP).
You also question my describing the majority of poskim’s position since you think I probably don’t know what the majority hold
True.
…yet a few days ago above you yourself describe a position as that of the “overwhelming majority of poskim” without any knowledge of such.
A valid point, believe it or not.
Rav Belsky, lbclc Rav Moshe, and the overwhelming majority of poskim and rabonim whose opinions can be found online also say it isn’t allowed, for varying reasons.
I didn’t make notes on all those who forbid copying music, but Rav Schapiro and Rabbi Bleich are the ones who I saw allow it.
Yet you persist in falsely saying I am “cherry-picking”. Sticking with my own Rov’s position, the same Rov I use for ALL my shailos (when he is available), is hardly “cherry-picking”. Furthermore, even though I hadn’t identified him, I did give you two other poskim who are on-the-record that copying is permissible under the circumstances.
However:
2) You DID omit parts of what Rav Schapiro said that were machmir and that said that even if hasogas gvul wasn’t a halocha “it is unethical and should not be done” portion of his explanation of “yored letoch umnosoh…”
I have addressed every single point in every one of your arguments.
-Some I have challenged.
-Some I have agreed with.
-One or two I have conceded on.
Ksiva V’Chasima Tova
You, too.
While we’re on Rosh Hashona plans, here’s a bit of advice from someone who’s stuck up for you a few times in the past:
-Do teshuva.
-Realize the damage you can do to a Rav’s reputation if you present yourself as a follower of his and act unscrupously.
-Stop trying to fool people and present yourself as something that you are not.
-Be honest.