Reply To: Who Should be Giving Tochecho to Whom?

Zeeskite, when you exclusively use terms like Ehrliche and Torah True to describe the Chareidi community in distinction from the MO community, you are demonstrating that you have disdain for the MO, that they are not equal in your eyes. Whether they are equal in HKBH’s eyes doesn’t appear to be relevant to you. And I think perhaps you don’t even realize the prejudice you are demonstrating using these terms in the way you have.

Vochindik, in a similar fashion, you say you can give credence to MO only if it were a kiruv stage on the way to your expression of a “Torah life” excluding them from definition as living a torah life. One of the biggest talmidei chachomim that I know, Rav Avishai David of Bet Shemesh, a talmid of R’ Soloveitchik and R’ Lichtenstein, and my former Rosh Yeshiva, is defined by most as Modern Orthodox, or perhaps R’ Schachter’s centrist Orthodox. His piskei halocho certainly fall within the MO milieu, as do most of his congregants in Sheinfeld. He lives the epitome of a “Torah life”, and the only thing that approaches making me upset by your words is the blase way in which you dismiss the ehrlichkeit of such a Jew, and so many others like him, by excluding people like him from your definition of a “Torah life”. My friend, that appears, to me, to be gaiva, if unthinking, and sinah, if well considered.