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benignuman
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There has been a misunderstanding of my position on both ends.

1) I was initially responding to Popa’s claim that we would Make the Chilonim keep the Torah. I was saying that the Torah provides no mechanism by which this can be done. The individual punishments of malkus and misa are not meant to be used as a club to force compliance on a broad sector of a society.

I did not say that we should not, or could not, have a society that is run al pi Torah. We can pass laws making it illegal for a store to be open on Shabbos. We can require all eateries to keep a basic level of Kashrus. We should not however pass a law that says if you put a piece of cheese on your hamburger you get fined X shekalim or you go to jail. (Is an atheist who keeps the Torah at gunpoint better than the atheist that keeps nothing at all?)

In other words we can establish that society will run al pi Torah in the public sphere, but we can’t legislate what people do in the privacy of their homes, even if we are the majority.

2) The purpose of the draft is that it forces people to make a choice whether or not they are willing to put their money where their mouth is with respect to the Medinah. If someone holds the Medinah is treif, then why should he get money from the Medinah, why should he get unemployment, child checks and free health care?

I don’t think that anyone should be forced at gunpoint to be a soldier (do you really want a disloyal soldier on the battlefield).

This is presupposing that the frum army units will be run al pi halacha.

As an aside, I find it truly ironic that some people will, in the same breath, say that it is proper to force people to keep all of halacha, but then say that no Gadol has held that Chareidim should be forced into the army, while admitting that there have been Gedolim that held it was a chiyuv to serve in the army.