benignuman -“2) The purpose of the draft is that it forces people to make a choice whether or not they are willing to put their money where their mouth is with respect to the Medinah. If someone holds the Medinah is treif, then why should he get money from the Medinah, why should he get unemployment, child checks and free health care?”
Simple reason. The Gedolim at the time decided to go with the flow. They didn’t agree with Satmar and others not to have anything to do with the Medina. They said once it’s here to try to work with them. This includes taking the benefits that are given to any Israeli citizen. The Medina also agreed to Not draft Charedim into the IDF, but had no problem with the Charedim taking social programs and supporting Yeshivos. But you know all this already – so why do you keep repeating the same old dribble over & over? Is it your fierce hatred towards Charedim? Explain it to me -I really don’t understand why you keep saying the same points over & over!
“I don’t think that anyone should be forced at gunpoint to be a soldier (do you really want a disloyal soldier on the battlefield).
This is presupposing that the frum army units will be run al pi halacha.”
Again you contradict yourself. While the MO Rabbis seem to find No prob with going to the army – the Gedolim do find a prob. So why are you forcing your Shittos on us? Do you believe in religious freedom? I don’t see a difference between you and the Catholics & Protestants of Northern Ireland. Over there they believe that they can kill each other because each one has a different interpretation of xianity. So you believe you can punish Charedim monetarily because we have different opinions in Halacha, esp. with regards to going to the IDF.
“As an aside, I find it truly ironic that some people will, in the same breath, say that it is proper to force people to keep all of halacha, but then say that no Gadol has held that Chareidim should be forced into the army, while admitting that there have been Gedolim that held it was a chiyuv to serve in the army.”
I for one, never said that people can be forced to keep the Torah, but I did say No Godol ever said Charedim should be forced into the army. You decided that’s what the MO Rabbis’ hold because they said e/o should go to the army. I doubt they hold this and if you really believe they do, why don’t you ask one of them to come out with a public statement saying that Charedim have to be forced into the IDF? So for you to say that now, which I don’t believe they even hold this, is for you to misinterpret their words for your political agenda!