1 MILLION FRUM JEWS IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK

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  • #596342

    knish
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    theres over 1 MILLION FRUM JEWS IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK:

    where?

    new- square,KJ,monsey,farakway,ronchester,bufflo,queens,5towns,wilbsburg,bora-park,flatbush [brooklyn],suffren,rampoo county, upstate,kiryas square[new],suffren,riverdale, fleischmanns, lawerance, washington heights, crown heights,bayswater,falsburg, great neck,marine park, sea gate, mountaindale, staten island,manhatan [upper east side,lower……] and many more random places……….. way over 1 million true-torah yidden-that keep shabbos….. this is mamash amazing so many yidden-uhh geshmack….

    #760577

    GumBall
    Member

    AMAZING!!! I fell sooooooooooooo Proud!!!! GO Jews!!!! 🙂

    #760578

    HIE
    Participant

    wonderful to hear, but where do you get this info from??

    #760579

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    There aren’t a million frum jews in America.

    #760581

    Sacrilege
    Member

    I went to an Aish symposium. There aren’t a million Frum Jews in the world. Love the optimism though….

    #760582

    cherrybim
    Participant

    “There aren’t a million frum jews in America.”

    I doubt if there are 500,000 shomrei Torah u’mitzvos in the U.S.A. Out of New York, being a member in an Orthodox synagogue or children attending an Orthodox day school should not necessarily count as being frum.

    #760583

    eclipse
    Member

    Oh yes,they were ALL on the same bus as I was this morning.

    #760584

    dogo
    Participant

    Sacrilage: It seems like you havent been around the world (US, Canada, Mexico, EU, (England, Russia, Switz…) Isreal, Australia……… There definatly is 1,000,000 frum Jews in the world (maybe not in the USA, but there might be). (I dont know about what you are referring to with aish).

    #760585

    cherrybim
    Participant

    How many halachic jews do you think there are in the U.S.A.?

    If one responder “says” that he is Jewish, the Jewish population demographers will consider the entire household Jewish. Using this response as the criteria for the Jewish population count, it is understandable that the total Jewish population is far less than recorded, but Orthodox Jews would have a higher proportion of halachic Jews.

    #760586

    shlishi
    Member

    cherrybim: On the same token if someone says he is Christian, they will count his Jewish wife and children — all halachic Jews — as NON-Jewish, thus reducing the true count.

    #760587

    knish
    Member

    look at all the jewsih places in the state of NY- more then 1 million frum jews

    #760588

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    knish? Are you human or a computer?

    #760589

    Sacrilege
    Member

    dogo

    In fact, I do travel. Just because there seems to be A LOT of Frum people in the world, that doest make it a million. There were rough estimates given at the Aish symposium and it was no where near 1 million. (They were trying to show the severity of intermarriage)

    #760590

    simcha613
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    I’m happy that there are so many frum Jews, but are we supposed to be celebrating that many of them are content to live in chutz la’aretz? kein yirbu beEretz Yisroel!

    #760592

    brotherofurs
    Participant

    what kind of people are you considering frum? Just people who keep Shabbos???

    #760593

    bpt
    Participant

    1 mil sounds like a stretch. BP has perhaps 4,000 head of household, so at best (figure 8 people per house) you’re looking at 30-35 thousand. Times that by 5-6 really big communities (Lakewood, Monroe, Willy, Flatbush, ect) and you’re still at around 200,000.

    A million? In NY alone? In fact, probably not even in the entire USA.

    Someday, but not just yet.

    #760594

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    The generally accepted defintion of frum (Or Orthodox) is

    Shomer Shabbos and Keeps Kosher

    #760595

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    what kind of people are you considering frum? Just people who keep Shabbos???

    What’s wrong with using that as your major criteria?

    There is no person who observes mitzvos 100%. Everyone has their weakness. So there is really no “frum” if you look for 100%.

    Generally, “frum” requires shabbos, kashrus and THM/mikvah.

    What would your criteria be?

    #760596

    veteran
    Member

    1 million? Maybe, if you include all of Joseph’s screen names.

    #760597

    bpt
    Participant

    Frum – daven each day, keeps kosher, Shabbos, and family matters, if married. The basics.

    The other things, (cholov yisroel, yoshon, laange paiyes, covered shaitel, covered ears, ect) are details.

    We’re talking the broadest net possible. Even so, no way I can see us being anywhere close to a million this side of the Atlantic

    #760598

    charliehall
    Participant

    Given that there are only about 200,000 children in all Orthodox day schools in the entire US, it is highly unlikely that there are a million frum Jews in New York State.

    #760599

    cherrybim
    Participant

    “On the same token if someone says he is Christian, they will count his Jewish wife and children — all halachic Jews — as NON-Jewish, thus reducing the true count.”

    This statement is not true. These are demographers for secular Jewish organizations who create the criteria for the greatest possible count for political purposes and also to increase the size and proportion of non-Orthodox “Jews”.

    charliehall – You are very correct and remember a relatively large proportion of these children, while they do attend Orthodox affiliated schools, do not follow Orthodox practice and neither do their families.

    #760600

    Homeowner
    Member

    Another hit and run poster who drops some naarishkeit here and leaves. Why not just delete this thread?

    #760601

    apushatayid
    Participant

    There might be a million orthodox people in ny, just not a million orthodox jews.

    #760602

    HIE
    Participant

    bpt, idk where you get your info from but there are over 80000 jews living in boro park, and near that in flatbush, just right there you have over 150,000 jews, and plus all the other communities in NY you definitely get near a million and you forsure have a millon together with NJ

    #760603

    knish
    Member

    to: Homeowner

    just open your eyes to all the areas with yidden, where do you live not in NY…..

    #760604

    yswo
    Member

    I read a few years ago there are at least 200k orthodox jews in Brooklyn and 300k non frum. If you add in KJ-25k, Monsey including New Square I would estimate at 40-50k. Lakewood same as Monsey. Rest of NY like FR, 5 towns I am guessing is another 20k same with Manhattan and Queens each. I would say based on those numbers it is close to 400k in NY. Correct me if I am wrong, or I am missing any communities.

    #760605

    yswo
    Member

    O NY and Lakewood without lakewood closer to 350k. Also if you add in NJ I forgot places like Teaneck, Englewood, Fairlawn etc. I am just guessing another 50k there so NY-350k, NY and NJ 450k.

    #760606

    HIE
    Participant

    i think your numbers are a bit low cuz your missing many small communities in NY and NJ that all add up to alot so i would say there are around 1Million in NY and NJ

    #760607

    yswo
    Member

    i think your numbers are a bit low cuz your missing many small communities in NY and NJ that all add up to alot so i would say there are around 1Million in NY and NJ

    Could be I only focused on the big communities. But I think that to say those communities make up another 500k people would be a big stretch. I would have to see some numbers.

    #760608

    TikkunHatzot
    Member

    Well, since we aren’t going to quote any real statistics here…this thread is pretty pointless.

    #760609

    HIE
    Participant

    im not understanding, did you mean to say that NY has 350000 and Nj has 100000 adding up to 400000?

    #760610

    yswo
    Member

    Tikkun I am coming up with numbers I read, people I spoke to who have more knowledge in this area i.e. developers, and from personal observation. There is no way to get a scientific number but I am trying to get all ballpark figured based on these items, not just making up numbers here.

    HIE: 400-450 in NY. Again estimates, I hope am wrong and the number is much larger.

    #760611

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Well, since we aren’t going to quote any real statistics here…this thread is pretty pointless.

    Agreed. I might add that it would be pointless even if we had real statistics.

    #760612

    dancinggirl
    Member

    hello!!! can everyone stop being so negative?

    desired response: Wow! that is amazing! i am so proud to be a jew!

    #760613

    GumBall
    Member

    Yea Thanx dancinggirl!!

    #760614

    charliehall
    Participant

    I’m the only person who put up a real number: Dr. Marvin Schick estimates the number of children in Jewish Day Schools in the US and the number for 2009-2010 was about 228,000. However, 36,000 of these children were in non-Orthodox schools, leaving an Orthodox enrollment of about 192,000. That is totally inconsistent with a total Orthodox population of a million, and given our large families may even be inconsistent even with a total Orthodox population of a half million — over the entire US!

    #760615

    HIE
    Participant

    idk where he gets those numbers from but there are about 300000 frum yidden in Brooklyn and 150000 outside of it making 450,000 for NYS. and NJ definitely has around 300,000-400,000 frum yidden making around 800,000 and in the rest of the US there is definitely another 200,000 scattered all over so there are forsure a million in the US, maybe not in NYS

    #760616

    yswo
    Member

    IU told you about where I got my numbers from i think maybe a NY article, and I said 200 frum 300 non frum. I have no idea where you get 300-400k in NJ, care to provide any numbers?

    Charlie I do not see why that is inconsistent with one million considering the large family size, and especially since each of those 200k kids have two parents.

    #760617

    HIE
    Participant

    first of all lakewood, and there are a tonnnnn of communities down the turnpike. check it out

    #760618

    The Orthodox Jewish population doubles every 20 years.

    #760619

    Shrek
    Member

    no wonder I can never find parking

    #760620

    HIE
    Participant

    shrek, LOL

    #760621

    HIE
    Participant

    After a meeting between pops, son and little bro we came to the following conclusion on the matter Let’s get this clear: there are not one million Frum Jews in New York or in America for that matter. We would say that there are 500,000 Frum in America.

    Knish: We simply think you’re wrong.

    #760622

    HIE
    Participant

    excuse me this meeting never took place and i disagree with son, and i think that there are definitely 1,000,000 frum jews in america as i stated earlier

    #760623

    Ad Dilo Yada
    Participant

    forgot Queens lots of ’em there

    #760625

    GumBall
    Member

    Im SO proud 2 be a jew!!

    #760626

    yswo
    Member

    HIE where are these 400,000 Jews in NJ and how many do you think live in Lkwd?

    Queens is big but spending a lot of time there I doubt it has more than Monsey which had about 8,000 families according to Mailway.

    #760627

    apushatayid
    Participant

    HIE. Any of the multiple personalities.

    #760628

    bpt
    Participant

    HIE –

    There are 80,000 Jews in BP? Mind telling me where they daven? Shop? Send the kids to yeshiva?

    Last I checked Bobov has about 1000 people in the big room (so that’s 8,000) Satmar another 500 or so (another 4,000) and beyond the 2 powerhouses, most shuls are 100 or so. And lots of them are 30-40 people, so the numbers don’t add up as quick as you think. So my guesstimate of 35 thou, is probably close.

    But 300,000? That would mean you need 8-10 neighborhoods as big as BP. Lets count: Flatbush, Willy, Monsey, Monroe. Thats about it. So unless you know of 3 or 4 neighborhoods that I don’t know of, it looks like we’re still the minority.

    Still, rare things are of greater value, so I’d rather be from the few AND the proud!

    (OTOH – The Bronx Zoo this Chol Hamoed.. it’ll seem like there’s 5 mil of us!

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