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  • #607954
    jewishness
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    It seems to me that “A Jewish Star” is very not Jewish. It is a singing competition reality show spotlighting Jewish talent. Is this in line with Torah values? Mimicking the TV world. Creating competition, excitement, and jealousy amongst youngsters over such a shallow thing?

    What do you think?

    #957749
    WIY
    Member

    jewishness

    It is not being done with Daas Torah. I agree with you 1000%.

    #957750
    superme
    Member

    I don’t think it’s to good. Jewish people shouldn’t want to be like the goyim. Countless times we see in the Torah that our ancestors mixed/assimilated with the goyim and then everything went downfall. Don’t like this

    #957751
    sushee
    Member

    I have heard that the organizers of “A Jewish Star” are planning next year a televised reality show that will be called “Jewish Survivor”, where contestents will have all sorts of “challanges” before they are voted off the island — until there is only one man or woman left standing.

    #957752
    MorahRach
    Member

    I opened this thread thinking it was about. A magen dovid being un-Jewish. I’m so out of the loop!

    #957753

    The kind of “music” it promotes and the singers who win are always from the fringes of the community. None of the singers who have won have gone on to real success.

    #957754
    jewishness
    Participant

    Remember when the Rabbis made an issue over certain singers and concerts and couple years ago? Isn’t this the same thing only five times worse?

    #957755
    WIY
    Member

    TheBearIsBack

    Yeah but Im shocked that Avrohom Fried would get involved in such a thing. I was really shocked that he was a judge on the show. Its so not Torahdig to have such a show where you publicly critique embarrass and destroy the self esteem of another Yid.

    #957756
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Please. It might not be a good thing, but the last thing you want is to remind people about that concert ban. The Rabbonim never recovered from that one.

    #957757
    superme
    Member

    Woops next time be more specific on what a “Jewish star” means to you. And everyoneelse yes it’s a major problem!!!!!!! People really haveto be spoken to

    #957758

    The concert ban was successful. The rabbonim said it has to be cancelled and B”H it was cancelled. It was a Kiddush Hashem how it played out per the Rabbonim’s wishes.

    #957759
    Showjoe
    Member

    sushee: hilarious!

    #957760
    jewishness
    Participant

    A good point was just made. Think of the guy/kid who loses. What does he feel like? Worthless. Yes, he went on of his own volition, but does that make it permissible? Does that make it right? We should be about building people up not tearing them down! And everyone other than the winner gets publicly ripped apart.

    The whole thing is all about going ga ga about some guys tone range and shaming another fellow about how his voice is painful or needs work. shaming publicly? check. Tearing down youngsters self esteem? check. kissing up to the TV world? check. Destroying our values? check. Horrible chinuch? check. Bitul zman? check. Promoting narcissism? check. Not Jewish? check.

    Are there any redeeming merits to this un-Jewish thing? NO

    #957761
    WIY
    Member

    HaLeiVi

    “The Rabbonim never recovered from that one.”

    Firstly we now see that the Rabbonim were right back then about that singer. If you have been watching his recent videos you would know what I mean.

    Secondly and more importantly, the Rabbonim at that time had no clue that the Tzibbur was holding at such a low point that they would rally behind this singer and talk trash against them! I mean we should be embarrassed that we have such weak emunas chachamim that we side with this “dude” over all the Rabbonim who signed the kol koreh.

    #957762
    funnybone
    Participant

    I agree that it’s not Jewish. Granted.

    You people have no idea what self-esteem is about. If someone has a better voice than you… that’s not an issue of self-esteem. Most people are better than you in some way or another. Self-esteem is when you don’t feel good about yourself for any reason. If a person has a bad voice (like me) but has other good qualities, there is no reason not to have a healthy self image. Good luck to all you people that think that your self image depends on other people liking your voice!

    #957763
    superme
    Member

    Jewishness- I agree with you!! Hashem made s special in our own ways why to we have to “kiss up” to the goyim? They don’t even appreciate it! That’s how we get ourselves into trouble I.e Jews goig to te thwarted and gymnasiums like Greeks and look at what happens…!!

    #957764
    jewishness
    Participant

    funnybone, you may have healthy self esteem but you aint smart. No one said that losing a singing contest should shatter your self esteem. The issue is that many times people, especially kids, have shaky self esteem. And if they are put down, especially in public, it can make them feel very little of themselves.

    Being put down, made fun of, bullied, etc are catalysts for low self esteem. Obviously, it stupid to value yourself based on such a thing, but people are not so smart. Especially emotionally.

    #957765
    JustHavingFun
    Participant

    I want to win it anyhow.

    #957766

    Firstly, I also came here thinking this was referring to the Magen David. Now that I am a little more informed, I am shocked and appalled that there even exists such a thing! Is it being aired on television? It is DEFENITELY not Jewish. This does NOT go according to true Torah values.

    1) Is it being aired on television?

    2) If not, is it being aired anywhere?

    3) Are there female singers as well (if the answer to this is yes, I’m going to go ballistic!)

    4) Who is behind all of this?

    #957767
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    RP,

    1) I think on the internet.

    2) see #1

    3) No, they officially believe in bein adam laMakom.

    4) The satan.

    #957768
    playtime
    Member

    A guy named Mendy Pellin is behind this. He’s a self proclaimed Jewish comedian (he appeared on the Jay Leno show a while back- he also is the one who produced Shwekey’s music video “Cry No More”.

    #957769

    Avraham Fried will not be a judge this year. He just happens to live in the same neighborhood as the organizers, so they asked him to get involved and he obliged. Even if he was paid for it, whatever he got is nothing compared to what he can make for one performance, and he was also subjected to mockery for his decisions.

    It says quite a lot that Lipa is the one who is replacing him.

    Pellin will also not be judging this year.

    The site is a commercial venture by a marketing firm, with which Pellin has no connection at all. Pellin, for all his shtick, is, like Fried, a frum Yid. The organizers appeal to a modern audience. An erlicher singer with talent has no hope of winning, and those who have won have not even made it as wedding singers.

    However, a ban will only increase the popularity of this shanda among those to whom it appeals. Let them have their fun; the contest will burn out on its own in due time.

    #957770
    jewishness
    Participant

    At least the coffee room crowd here is in agreement that this is a Jewish no no. I have not seen a dissenting opinion yet.

    #957771

    I think it is just us competing with the goyim in america…

    #957773

    I don’t think that there was anything wrong with sharing my personal opinion…

    #957774
    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    i think a jewish stars an amazing opportunity for jewish kids, teens, and men to show their talent and have kosher entertainment!! i dont see anything wrong with it.. whats better? edon, a nice jewish boy, competing in americas got talent or a jewish star??

    #957775
    WIY
    Member

    snowbunny3318

    The problem is that we know that the “goyim” have such a show in the first place. If we would live the way we should we would have never heard of American Idol et al. I speak to myself as well when I say this…

    #957776

    I am not sure.

    #957777
    BatshevaYocheved
    Participant

    It’s so inappropriate! they shouldn’t be doing it!

    #957778
    ari-free
    Participant

    If you are on the madrega where you only listen to chabad nigunim, OK this is not for you. But think of all the many young people who are addicted to non-Jewish music. Maybe this will get them to give Jewish music another look.

    #957779
    Git Meshige
    Participant

    WIY, the reason why people are bringing up the show is because it is possible one was nichshal many years ago and has since done teshuva. Ever crossed your mind that could be the case?

    #957780
    WIY
    Member

    Git

    My point is that the people behind the show are heavily influenced by non Jewish entertainment and quite obviously look up to what the non Jews do and want to be like them. The producers are not relying on Daas Torah but rather on their own warped Daas. Im happy Avraham Fried left the show. He is too good for that.

    #957781
    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    arifree-

    good point.. u shud jus know how many by girls listen 2 english music, sadly.. im not saying im a saint bt aiming 4 it!!

    #957782
    BatshevaYocheved
    Participant

    Almost my whole entire grade listens to not jewish music at by. I also do but, i like both the same. But, I like Jewish music better because it has meaning and not jewish doesn’t.

    #957783
    WIY
    Member

    Batsheva

    I hope you are exaggerating. If not, is this a school like machon, BY of boro park or a more “cool” type of school?

    #957784
    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    no personal infooo pls!!! my current grades actually very good abt it bt my old grade was like 75%… its rlly good for me in my hs spritually i gess!!

    #957785
    lesschumras
    Participant

    In the yeshivas I went to, Rebbes routinely publicly embarrassed beat and bullied kids. In sixth grade , for example., I approached the Rebbe and told him I able daven with full kavanah for half of shachris. Instead of Chizuk , he called me to the front of the class and ridiculed me having kavanah for only half. Did wonders for my davening

    #957786
    superme
    Member

    Lesschumras- feel for you and know what yourgoing thru unfortunaley

    #957787
    WIY
    Member

    lesschumras

    Coincidentally, my 6th grade Rebbe was also in the wrong field of work.

    #957788
    funnybone
    Participant

    Hey, jewishness, what do you think your comment did to my self-esteem?

    Kids, and adults, compete in this world. It’s important to feel good about yourself. Everyone must understand that there are and will always be winners and losers. Teach your kids and teach yourself that so that you know going in that there is a good chance that you’ll lose, but the competition is fun!!

    #957789
    jewishness
    Participant

    Hey, funnybone, I hope my comment did not shatter your self- esteem. Yes kids and adults compete in this world. Yes it is important to feel good about yourself. Yes we must understand that there are winners and loser.

    But there is no reason that Jews should put together an event that mimics the goyish ways. That mimics TV. That creates a sensation out of good voices which is an unimportant thing. Competition is good if its for a good purpose like competing for Torah knowledge. It spurs on people to do good things. Not if it is for unimportant things.

    The fact is that each kid is publicly critiqued, and the pluses and minuses of his tone range, voice clarity etc are publically discussed. There is nothing Jewish about this. It is dangerous for kids chinuch and dangerous for self esteem and it is not in the spirit of Judaism. It is in the spirit of the Golden Calf.

    #957790
    funnybone
    Participant

    I agree that it’s not Jewish. And I think that you are beginning to agree that it’s not the worst thing for self-esteem.

    What do you mean by Golden Calf?

    #957791
    jewishness
    Participant

    By the Golden Calf we are told that when Moshe came down from the mountain Yehoshua told Moshe that there is a commotion in the camp. Moshe said it is not the sound of wining the war I hear and it is not the sound of losing the war I hear, it is merely sounds. In other words, if their shouting in enthusiasm was out of victory or loss it would be understandable, but if they are yelling and getting excited about something unimportant we have a problem.

    They make a big deal out of creating competition along with all its perils for what? For positive education? No, its excitement to see who will be the “star” just like TV. Idolization.

    #957792
    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    ahh just founnd out i know someone who just audiotioned!!omg!! i hope he wins!! hes in the adult competiotion…

    #957793
    funnybone
    Participant

    Is “idolization” the same as serving idols? I think not.

    #957794
    WIY
    Member

    funnybone

    It is a resemblance of idol worship because you tend to just focus on how amazing the person is and cut Hashem out of the picture, because the more you focus on Hashem the less you would ever idolize anybody. I actually dont know the Halacha but hashkafically it looks bad.

    #957795
    funnybone
    Participant

    Is it wrong to idolize Deli 52’s overnight potato kugel?!

    #957796
    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    i sure hope nobody does.. i wud call that food obbsesion..

    #957797
    Leyzer
    Participant

    Maybe I’m slow, but I only just saw the Youtube videos of A Jewish Star 2013 last night, and… I was really upset.

    The format is identical to non-Jewish shows (which shall remain nameless). The judges are clearly aware of this and do their best to mimic the attitudes of their counterparts on the non-Jewish shoes. This includes laughing at at least one of the singers (who had to wait 4 hours for the privilege) or offering sharp critiques of their pitch, tone etc (this is somewhat pathetic considering that none of the 3 judges are known for the musical quality of their voices.)

    At first I cringed at how corny the show is, and how obvious it is to anyone who has watched the non-Jewish shoes how desperately they are trying to copy it. One contestant (from Manchester, UK) even *proudly* introduces himself as having had an audition for such a contest.

    As the show progressed, my feelings of embarrassedment turned to sadness. Simon Cowell and co do not care if they crush someone’s self esteem. On the contrary, it makes better TV viewing and brings in more revenue. (It has been alleged that some contestants are chosen purely on this basis, the judges knowing how everyone will laugh at them). This tiny Jewish contest has a very limited audience, the revenue must be very small. Why do they need the shock value? What do they gain by humiliating fellow Jews?

    Really upset about it, so much so that I have decided against buying the latest CD of one of the judges. Not because I want to hurt his pocket – I just don’t feel comfortable listening to him anymore.

    #957798
    writersoul
    Participant

    My neighbor made it into the finals of the first season- he loved it, his whole family was campaigning for him, and I thought it was shticky and corny, but okay, if there’s an audience.

    Then I watched an episode of the newer season, and I was in utter shock. Doesn’t “hamalbin pnei chaveiro berabim” lose his portion in olam haba? I’ve seen episodes of the real shows, and you could so tell that they were directly modeling it after one of them. Come on people, so they do it- don’t you want to be better than them? It was absolutely horrifying.

    NEVER watching that again.

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