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So for another month, a kol koreh went out from manhigim across the community for young women and schoolgirls to come to the kotel to make it impossible for the WoW to do what the supreme court has permitted them to do.
I actually admire this as (when practiced ideally) the kind of civil disobedience that should characterize protest in a democratic country. As long as there is no abuse of the WoW by the protestors (and this month there was very little) and no violence (seems to have been none), it puts the ball in the police’s and hence the government’s hands, forcing them to deal with the uncomfortable issue.
But here’s what troubles me.
Manhigim who have no problem calling out thousands to the kotel to protest people – mostly outside the machne – who are (albeit in the wrong or non-halachic way)ultimately doing something that is holy if done right, (davening), have trouble making a kol koreh about rampant abuse which could never be holy (I include the dati zioni in this too, especially given the conviction of one of their leaders today on these charges, and the MO as well, given the growing YU scandal), have a challenge making a kol koreh about assaults, which could never be holy, in several communities on devout yidden who happen to be in uniform, and have a challenge calling out Torah institutions and yeshivos that fake id’s and cheat the taxpayers by taking stipends for non existent students.
I may be a fool, but rampant sexual abuse in multiple communities; repeated violence against Bnei Torah; contemptible corruption and theft that gives the 95% of mehadrin min hamenadrin yeshivos a bad name, don’t these things deserve a kol koreh just as much if not more than the WoW rabble rousers?
You know Hashem made a much bigger Kol Koreh about all of the above called the Torah. The kol korehs are for the less obvious stuff. Nobody in their right mind needs to be told that its not ok to abuse someone or that its not ok to steal…
And yet, WIY, it seems we do…
That is exactly the point, WIY. Those who need to hear it are NOT in their right minds.
jewishfeminist02
“That is exactly the point, WIY. Those who need to hear it are NOT in their right minds.”
In which case a kol koreh will be pointless.
WIY- a kol korei won’t stop WOW either. The kol korei isn’t for the violaters, it’s for the tzibur to step up efforts to stand up to such people to ensure that their crimes don’t happen again, or just to make a public outcry that we are enemies of those who violate G-d who do such acts.
No but a Kol Korea will signal to outsiders that maybe they care.
I know how a bill becomes a law, but how does an issue become a kol koreh?
It is very difficult to answer this question in any intelligent fashion until we know the process by which kol koreh’s are issued.
VM
“And yet, WIY, it seems we do… “
I am sorry to hear that you think that a Kol Koreh has more weight than a posuk in the Torah.
nisht- come on… obviously a possuk has more weight than a kol korei. But unfortuantely some people aren’t listening to the pesukim. The kol korei may help in putting public pressure on a person who would otherwise ignore his halachic and moral responsibilities.
Anyone with a modem and/or $50 in raw materials and a pot of glue can put out a kol koreh. That’s roughly how valuable they are.
Perhaps the manhigim and askanim feel it is easier to deal with WoW than to tackle the big problems facing our tzibbur today, like abuse and corruption. no one wants to admit that these terrible things happen in frum communities, but they do. If abuse was made less taboo, parents were educated, and victims were helped instead of harassed, those would be good starts. A Kol Koreh would be nice too, since its daas Torah and hopefully people listen when gedolim speak.
In all seriousness, does anyone have inside knowledge as to how kol korehs come about?
yichusdik
Any issue that public like the wow issue would get such a response. For example if you had large mobs of chareidim attacking chareidi soldiers it would be addressed. You just have an axe to grind.
1. How will this play out: where are the thousands to demonstrate against the “rampant abuse”? Who will they demonstrate against?
2. I live among the charedi world and have heard loads of underworld stories. Abuse is very rare, thankfully. (Here it comes, sigh..)
3. Is abuse a political challenge, as a supreme court ruling is?
4. Is abuse an undefended crime, as is disgracing the Kosel? I would think that abused people have recourse to the courts, who would prosecute with glee…
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