April 7, 2019 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #1710337
The Chasidim are generally makpid to always wear a hat and jacket when outdoors. Rain or shine; hot or cold; young and old. Whether they are a Rov, Ben Torah or even a poshut chosid. Whereas among the Litvish this isn’t always so. The rabbonim and Bnei Torah generally do adhere to this הנהגה. But among their hamon am this is mostly not the case.
Why? If you look at the old pictures from Lita you generally always see even the hamon am wearing a hat and jacket whenever outside.April 7, 2019 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #1710525
Look at a ball game from that time period all the non Jewish men are in hats and jacketsApril 7, 2019 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #1710530
There were no professional ball games in the shtetl.April 7, 2019 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm #1710537
There was no sunscreen in the shtetl.April 7, 2019 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #1710581
“The Chasidim are generally makpid to always wear a hat and jacket when outdoors. ”
There are many (especially younger) Chasidim nowadays that go around outside without hats and jackets.
Please update your records.April 7, 2019 9:50 pm at 9:50 pm #1710724
He said “generally” not always. Exceptions to the rule don’t refute the generality.
Also, since when is adhering to a minhag called a “stereotype?”April 8, 2019 7:04 am at 7:04 am #1710748
Maybe that’s why they are so happy! 😉April 8, 2019 7:04 am at 7:04 am #1710754
Those among us who are 55 and older, probably remember that every clothing store had a men’s and women’s hat department. Frum or not, Jewish or not, there was a sense of honor and modesty that existed. Jackets and ties were always worn on plane trips. Many restaurants would not seat you without them.
Unfortunately we have lost a large percentage of that sense of kovod.
The Mishnah Berurah brings that the berachah of oteir Yisroel b’sifara is going on the hats we wear.April 8, 2019 7:04 am at 7:04 am #1710756
Lit real Chasidim do. Even professionals.April 8, 2019 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #1711456
Just to reiterate, the Litvish Bnei Torah and Bnei Yeshiva do the same; and will always wear a hat and jacket. It’s when it comes to the Litvish hamon am that this isn’t always the case, whereas the Chasidish hamon am generally always do.April 8, 2019 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #1711463
Those who don’t wear hats aren’t the Litvish HMon AmApril 9, 2019 8:15 am at 8:15 am #1711931
Yeah, Litvish yeshiva bochrim don’t wear hats outside. Half of them don’t even wear them when davening.April 9, 2019 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #1712146
MB SA O”CH (91,12) davening as going on the street.April 9, 2019 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #1712138
The mishna brura in siman 91 says that now that we wear a hat in the streets, we should wear one for davening. The mashmaos is that 1. they didn’t always wear one in the street 2. When you don’t wear one in the street you don’t need to wear one during davening.April 9, 2019 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #1712181
There arent a lot of Litvishe people in America. It’s just a label used by Chasidim.April 9, 2019 2:24 pm at 2:24 pm #1712221
Lakewhat: There are tons of Litvaks. Anyway, this term is nowadays used as a synonym for Yeshivish. Here’s how many children were enrolled in different kinds of Orthodox day schools in 2013, according to an Avichai survey:
Centrist Orthodox: 18,925
Modern Orthodox: 27,217
This shows that the Yeshiva world is very large, only a little smaller than the Chassidish world.April 9, 2019 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #1712247
yytz no. You don’t know what a Litvak is.April 9, 2019 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm #1712277
Joseph: “It’s when it comes to the Litvish hamon am that this isn’t always the case, whereas the Chasidish hamon am generally always do.”
As Chazal say, פוק חזי מאי עמא דבר, go out and see what people are doing.
If you would stop looking at a screen for a while, and actually go out on the street in a Hasidic area like W’burg or B.P., you would see that your words are not correct. That is, if you are open to the Emes.
Anyone who wants to know the truth should do the same. Especially among younger Chasidim that is the case (yeshiva bochurim and kollel yungeleit could be somewhat different).April 9, 2019 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #1712280
lakewhut: “yytz no. You don’t know what a Litvak is.”
A Litvak is someone with a notarized birth certificate that he was born in a place like Kovno, Slabodka, Telshe, Ponevez, or Vilkomir. He must carry it with him at all times, or be subject to arrest and suspension of his Litvak priveleges and status by the Litvishe police. <sarcasm off>
Is that it? Is that why you claim there are not many Litvaks today?April 9, 2019 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #1712379
No because there is a mentality of litvishe people that you don’t find today by many people. Litvish is a label used by Chasidim against people who are not like them. You can be American and not litvish or chasidish.April 10, 2019 9:27 am at 9:27 am #1712654
I can’t tell if you’re trolling. Litvish just basically means Ashkenazi chareidi; people usually use the term Yeshivish in real life. You seem to be thinking of the word misnaged. Litvak does not carry a negative connotation, nor does it actually have to do with being Lithuanian anymore.
You realize the town off of which your username seems to be based is the Litvish capital of America?April 10, 2019 9:38 am at 9:38 am #1712663
The Ben Ish Hai says that even if one davens at home one should wear a shirt as one would not walk in the street without one. Rav Mordechai Eliahu learns that if someone would walk in the street without a hat a jacket he need not wear them for davening.
As for what was, if you look at old pictures you will see that a man’s hat signified his station in life. Workers wore caps. Middle class men wore hats that matched (and came with) their suits.April 10, 2019 11:12 am at 11:12 am #1712743
Nobody is going to argue on your proofs. This thread isn’t about what people should do or have to do; it’s about what people actually do.April 10, 2019 11:44 am at 11:44 am #1712749
Yeshivish roshei yeshiva will tell you there is an inyan, but it’s not supported by the mishna brura. Efsher it’s mitaam minhag.
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