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I just heard Parshat Nasso this past Shabbat. I am going to Brooklyn for two weeks and I want to pray with a minyan which will be reading the Torah portion that they are doing in Israel.
I know that Shomrei Shabbos has such a minyan, but I was looking for something more in the heart of Flatbush.
Thanks for helping
“but isn’t krias haTorah specifically a communal obligation”
Yes but it’s still a Chiyuv to hear each and every Parsha…
noitallmr,
Is it? Can you cite a source for that?
The Wolf
wolf
how do you define community?
a particular shul?
neighborhood?
country?
city?
can you cite a source for your definition?
Well, I think that geographic location is a fair indicator. Since everyone who lives within 5000 miles of Brooklyn reads the same parsha every week, I would think that is a significant point in it’s favor.
The Wolf
obviously geographic location is a consideration in defining community
are you aware of a community consisting of transients from Israel?
is this not what the poster was asking for help with?
would that not also be a consideration, perhaps an overriding one.
you seemed to be so sure what community means, i thought you probably had a source
No, not a “source” per se… just a “common sense” approach.
I find it difficult to believe that a community of transients can truly be considered a community.
In short, it seems logical to me that if reading the Torah is a communal obligation, then one should listen to the Parsha that is being lained in the community. Whether or not there is an obligation to hear every Parsha is a different (albeit related) question.
The Wolf
Wolf: I’m afraid not so you don’t need to take my word for it…
I fully understand the desire for an Israel minyan, and I certainly understand this Rav’s psak, as it is in tune with the general drift of the last thirty years. But I think it is a very wrong psak.
The parsha this week in America is Nasso. Period. Any other kriah, a communal obligation, is the wrong kriah. Period. To lein the following parsha with a minyan is leining the wrong parsha.
The same applies when Americans come to Israel for yomtov and make minyanim as if they were in America. They are reading the wrong kriah and davening the wrong tefilah, this is Israel and not America. Furthermore, it is a slap in the face to the people of Israel when this is done. The Rav of Yerushalayim, the saintly Rav Shmuel Salant zt”l was vehemently opposed to this practice. Unfortunately, the tides have changed, and now one can come to Yerushalyim on yomtov and think he is in Flatbush. I think it is wrong, but that is the reality.
So, I oppose looking for this Israel minyan, but I am in the minority, and I hope that you find one.
The same applies when Americans come to Israel for yomtov and make minyanim as if they were in America
Sorry onlysheker, but this is very wrong. R’ Shlomo Zalman zt”l was vehemently against people doing things outwardly in public which was not inline with what the Israelis were doing (e.g. He did not allow eating in the succah on shmini ateres, Kohanim singing in duchaning during second day yom tov). Nowhere does anyone with daas torah say you don’t make a minyan. Even in Kol Torah (R’ Shlomo Zalman’s Yeshiva) the Americans made a minyan for their Yom Tov.
As for the kriah being a communial obligation, if there are a minyan of people who need to hear Behaalotcha, is that not their communal obligation.
Furthermore, it is a slap in the face to the people of Israel when this is done.
No, it isn’t. Putting tfillin on at the Kotel during chol hamoed is a slap in the face to the Israelis. How is being nahug 2nd day yom tov a slap in the face? Please don’t tell me you mistakenly hold that when in Israel you automatically hold 1 day. Also please don’t give me the false psak that you need to put on tfillin during 8th day of pesach if in Israel.
How fitting that in Olam HaShakker someone with your name comes and says something so distant from the truth
P.T.
You insulted me,be ashamed of yourself. Don’t bother responding, I will not answer you.
1. I quoted Rav Salant zt”l, not Rav Shlomo Zalman zt”l
2. Ten people gathering in Eretz Yisroel does not create a communal obligation to read be’haaloscha
3. The Chacham Tzvi paskens one day yomtov for all, as does a modern day godol, Rav Amital shlita. There are many others who agree.
4. The Chazon Ish paskens that a ben chutz la’aretz puts on tefillin on Isru Chag.
5. There are seven days of Pesach in Israel, not eight.
It is amazing what you can prove when you
a) Don’t correctly read what you are responding to
and
b) Use Da’as Yichidim to randomly prove your points which are against the way we paskin.
Now I see why you will not answer me. Sheker can only stand for so long
BS”D
The only thing I can suggest is to call either Rabbi Shraga Zalmanov from the Chabad Vaada leDovrei Ivrit or Bnei Akiva to see if they have any information about such a minyan.
Rabbi Zalmanov is based in Queens; 718 380 7050. If there is a shaliach in Flatbush who is involved with the Israeli community I think he would know (and I think there is but I am not sure who he is, whether he has visitors from EY as opposed to former Israelis living in Brooklyn who come to his Chabad House, and where in Flatbush he is located).
Bnei Akiva is a longshot; phone is (212) 465-9536. They don’t list anyone or anything in Brooklyn which is contrary to my (fading) recollections.
Another possibility is the Chassidish minyan factory off of Coney Island Ave (Veretsky?? – it is referred to as Rabbi ???’s shul – someone please help me out here – when I went I walked from Coney Island somewhere between J and M); so many different people pass in and out that there just may be enough visitors from EY to make the minyan you need.
BS”D
I am almost sure that the shul I am referring to in Midwood is known as “(Rabbi) Landau’s”.
Rabbi Laundau’s shul is on the corner of Avenue L and East 9 Street. Although they have minyanim starting quite often, I don’t know if the gabbaim would allow you to form a “breakaway” minyan from the regular schedule to lain a different parsha from the rest of the tzibur.
The Wolf
BS”D
If Shomrei Shabbos, which is a similar shul, has such a minyan, Rabbi Landau’s (and thanks, that is the shul I mean) may have one too. Check it out.
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If you could leave your points-to-be-made intact, while toning down the personal side of disagreements, it would be appreciated.
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