October 20, 2021 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #2019135lakewhutParticipant
Under Biden we have:
Supply chain problems
Terrible labor reports
Empowered the Taliban and have them all out weapons for free
Critical Race Theory in schools
Alienated western allies
Made Israel more vulnerable
But hey he doesn’t send mean tweetsOctober 20, 2021 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm #2019152ujmParticipant
C’mon, it took you this long to realize this?? This has been obvious for over half a century, already.October 20, 2021 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm #2019158
Lakewhut -“Made Israel more vulnerable”
Not just Israel, but the USA.
I just heard on a right- wing Video that Osama wanted to kill Obama.
This was recently declassified.
They said the reason was because he wanted Biden to take over.
What damage can Biden do?
Your list is just the Beginning!October 20, 2021 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm #2019159crazykanoiyParticipant
Under Biden we have:
Additional Child credit helping hundreds of frum families.
Additional health insurance premium support that helps hundreds of frum families.
Additional security funding helping many of our mosdos stay safe.
Record real estate values helping the many homeowners and investors in our kehillos.
Record stock market valuations helping many investors in our community.
Additional funding for Iron Dome helping to enhance Israel’s security.
Five million new jobs created.
Record bipartisan infrastructure bill likely to pass bringing much-needed improvements to America’s roads and bridges necessary to keep our country competitive.
Under Trump we have:
Neo-Nazi’s proudly marching in Charlottesville.
Shootings at synagogues in Pittsburgh and Poway.
Racial tensions and racial violence in American cities.
Trump supporters storming the Capitol.
Iran greatly increasing its uranium production and reducing its nuclear breakout time.
The longest government shut down in US history.
Ballooning and out of control deficit.
Pressuring of Georgia Republican state officials to overturn an election.October 21, 2021 12:08 am at 12:08 am #2019171🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
“Neo-Nazi’s proudly marching in Charlottesville. Shootings at synagogues in Pittsburgh and Poway. ”
Right. Sure. I think he even posted bail for anyone involved who got arrested…. oh, wait….October 21, 2021 3:56 am at 3:56 am #2019183
crazykanoi, you are seeing the trees and not the forest. All this government “help” is coming from middle-income earners taxes. America is on the path to becoming the second Venezuela by stealing from the people to pay the people…how ingenious….
And about Trump you are really trying to pin stuff on him that’s has nothing to do with him. Besides for the deficit. But if that’s a point you want to make a out him, the DemoRats are a trillion times worse. 3.5 trillion dollars worse, in fact.October 21, 2021 8:56 am at 8:56 am #2019227
Supply chain problems – started under Trump
High inflation -started under Trump
Terrible labor reports – started under Trump
Empowered the Taliban and have them all out weapons for free – started under Trump
Vaccine Mandates – Great!
Critical Race Theory in schools – Great!
Alienated western allies- The reverse is true
Made Israel more vulnerable- not true
Enabled Iran- Started under Trump
But hey he doesn’t send mean tweets – Great!
Now granted just becasue something started under trump is not an excuse to reelect Biden. So while you did list some Great things about Biden if Biden doesn’t turn around the rest soon it’ll be time to replace him in 3 years.October 21, 2021 9:00 am at 9:00 am #2019245
crazykanoi listed all things that were done by Trump (thus “additional” in every line), except the infrastructure bill that did not pass yet, may be a waste of money, may be coupled with a bigger waste of money, and was somehow not of interest to Dems when Trump was the President.
Also, could someone clarify re:security – I’ve seen lots of funds going to private school during 2020 relief but my impression was that in 2021 a lot of funds are restricted to public schools. Didn’t look carefully, though.October 21, 2021 9:35 am at 9:35 am #2019273
Out of curiosity, Ubiquitin, why do you think Critical Race Theory is a good thing?October 21, 2021 9:43 am at 9:43 am #2019280☕️coffee addictParticipant
To a blind person light is darknessOctober 21, 2021 1:01 pm at 1:01 pm #2019283
first need to define it
Ill copy paste from wikipedia
“Critical race theory (CRT is a body of legal scholarship and an academic movement of US civil-rights scholars and activists who seek to critically examine the intersection of race and US law and to challenge mainstream American liberal approaches to racial justice. CRT examines social, cultural, and legal issues primarily as they relate to race and racism in the US. A tenet of CRT is that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing, and often subtle social and institutional dynamics, rather than explicit and intentional prejudices of individuals”
In order to understand the present, it is important to understand the past. Racism was not just a minor hiccup of US history. IT was literally baked into the countries’ founding. (I don’t think any other western country had racist ideas literally written into the constitution like the US did)
Sure we have come a long long way, but PART of the reason (note: not the entire reason that is what “part” means) such large racial disparities exist is becasue of the way these things were baked in to US fabric bot h explicit and implicit.
Learning history critically is important, even if it makes people uncomfortable.October 21, 2021 1:03 pm at 1:03 pm #2019300
Ubiquitin, no way, are you actually defending crt? You don’t know what it’s truly about because if you do and are still defending it still then…I don’t want to write the adjectives I have currently running through my mind.October 21, 2021 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #2019304Reb EliezerParticipant
The Republicans don’t even want to debate voting rights but let the states suppress it.October 21, 2021 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm #2019330
Actually, malaise works wirelessly, he does not even need to touch anything. Markets, allies, and adversaries all change their behaviors with expectations of your behavior. Companies stop investing in energy or in general expecting taxes and rule changes (happens right now), allies do not expect your help and look elsewhere, adversaries anticipate your reaction (Iran, Crimea)October 21, 2021 1:56 pm at 1:56 pm #2019367
CK -“Additional funding for Iron Dome helping to enhance Israel’s security.”
Yes, but the DemonCrat party is becoming more Not like that.
You have the Squad and Bernie that were Elated when Biden stole the E!ection.
Because they know with a guy like Biden – their agenda is on the Upswing!
“Under Trump we have:
Neo-Nazi’s proudly marching in Charlottesville.”
Oh, btw that has nothing to do with Trump.
It’s a Constitutional right.
Do you believe in the Constitution?!?
“Shootings at synagogues in Pittsburgh and Poway.”
If that’s Trump’s fault, then all the Terrorism in the US under Obama, is Obama’s Fault!
“Racial tensions and racial violence in American cities.”
Yes, because you Lib, leftists have to get your way.
And if you don’t, you’ll riot and riot, till you stole the Congress & the Presidency!October 21, 2021 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #2019364
I think there is a large difference between acknowledging the existence of racism and making that the focal point of our historical attention and I think CRT takes it too far. I think your emphasis on ‘part’ is warranted. I also think the vast majority of CRT theorists would disagree.October 21, 2021 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #2019382
Ubiq -“Empowered the Taliban and have them all out weapons for free – started under Trump”
He knows how to deal with Difficult people, like the Taliban.
He made a deal with them – they were getting what they wanted and the US wasn’t being attacked.
But with Biden – he ran out, like a chicken without iit’s head, and caused Military Deaths.
That’s not all, he left thousands of Americans in Afghanistan without any Protection!
“Critical Race Theory in schools – Great!”
Obviously you don’t understand what it is.
It’s just reverse Discrimination.
Well what’s wrong with getting revenge?
The answer is – the US isn’t too blame for Slavery.
It started in Europe & Africa.
So if they implement CRT, IMHO, they are starting another Civil War!October 21, 2021 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #2019389crazykanoiyParticipant
Not everything on my list is Trump’s fault. I completely agree with that. My point is that so too not everything on the anti-Biden list is Biden’s fault. It is time to move past the asinine and petty remarks that have come to define our political discourse.
Under Trump crime skyrocketed throughout America but of course, there are other factors out of Trump’s control that must be considered and the same applies to Biden.
To claim that when Trump negotiates with the Taliban, cuts out the Afghan government, and does not insist on enforcing agreeable benchmarks he is somehow making America stronger but when Biden carries out that agreement he is solely to blame for making America weaker is simply absurd.
To claim that when Trump publicly states that he has fallen in love with a murderous despot and salutes North Korean officers he is enhancing America’s global standing but when Obama bows to a Saudi Royal he is undermining it is equally ridiculous.
To scream “Venezuela” when Biden opens the spigots of government largesse but then look the other way or yell “MAGA” when Trump costs the Republicans the Senate by publicly feuding with McConnell and insisting on untargeted $2000 checks for all is pure hypocrisy.
There is good and bad on both sides. Childish unintelligent comments such as “Anything the Democrats Touch Gets Worse” and ‘This has been obvious for over half a century” should have no place among a tzibur that is supposed to be an “am chacham vnavan”
We are not Republicans or Democrats, Conservatives or Liberals. We are Yidden. When we invest ourselves so thoroughly in one political camp that we reflexively lash out against the other side as if it is a personal affront or religious obligation to do so we have crossed the line. Republicanism is not our religion.October 21, 2021 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #2019402jackkParticipant
I agree with everything you said. Bravo for saying it.October 21, 2021 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #2019419
CK -“Under Trump crime skyrocketed throughout America but of course, there are other factors out of Trump’s control that must be considered and the same applies to Biden.”
It’s true, but it’s not true that it’s not Biden fault!
The inner cities are under DemonCrat control – so it has nothing to do with Trump.
OTOH, Biden is the Leader of the DemonCrat party.
This party is very lax on Crime & Punishment.
They make every excuse for Criminals – Critical Race Theory is one of them!
“To claim that when Trump negotiates with the Taliban, cuts out the Afghan government, and does not insist on enforcing agreeable benchmarks he is somehow making America stronger”
When Biden did the terrible removal of the troops, Trump was interviewed.
He said the agreement with the Taliban was kept.
We kept our part and they kept theirs.
Why – he said?
Because they knew, if they didn’t, he’d bomb and inflict major damage on them!October 21, 2021 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #2019427
excellentOctober 21, 2021 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #2019423
I provided a definition, if you don’t like it that’s fine.
Ok I won’t. you don’t have to listen to me If you don’t believe me that Trump started empowering the Taliban Listen to the guy who wrote this “He made a deal with them – they were getting what they wanted and the US wasn’t being attacked.” See I’m not the only one who thinks that one of your personalities does too.
“Obviously you don’t understand what it is.”
I provided a defitnion. If you don;t like it you are free to provide your ownOctober 21, 2021 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #2019431
Ubiquitin, your “definition” by quoting Wikipedia is naive. Who provided the info to Wikipedia who is pushing the leftist agenda? You have never looked at the material being taught nor do you understand that those who push the agenda are making millions. It’s all about $. Besides which, there’s absolutely no systemic racism today. BIacks are actually the new privileged class. It is mind-boggling that humans push agendas that they will end up suffering from. Totally kind boggling.October 21, 2021 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #2019432
Ubiquitin, was that a passive-aggressive ‘okay’? I honestly couldn’t tell 😅October 21, 2021 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #2019442
Wikipedia does not have to be leftist. It is a collective product. If you see that something is not correct and you have a source for a correction, rather than just an opinion, you can go and edit it. If the issue is political, then all sides start editing each other and results is unpredictable, but predictably unreliableOctober 21, 2021 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #2019447☕️coffee addictParticipant
“High inflation -started under Trump“
“ To be sure, inflation has been low for a long time, said Christine Benz, head of personal finance at Morningstar.”October 21, 2021 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #2019445jackkParticipant
If you that that blacks are a privileged class then I have one question for you.
Would you rather be black or white in America? Think about it.October 21, 2021 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #2019441
I’m not sure how okay could be “aggressive” Passive sure. you asked a question to satisfy your curiosity I answered . Thats it. If you have a follow up question, ‘d be happy to answer that too.
you said a large majority of CRT theorists would disagree. Ok, they can disagree. I don’t have to answer for them, nor am I empowered to do so.
“your “definition” by quoting Wikipedia is naive.”
nu nu so change Wikipedia to a defitnion that fits your preconceived scary view that’s your right.. With your super scary sinister definition of CRT, I might not support it. I’m going with the current definition as supplied there and hereOctober 21, 2021 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #2019463
You are right.
While there were relatively high inflation rates in 2018. they pale in comparison to today.
The current high inflation is solely under Biden’s watch I retract that statementOctober 21, 2021 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #2019486
Ubiquitin, an official definition, from Wikipedia or from a different source, is not what defines the CRT. The actual subject material tuaght is what defines CRT.October 21, 2021 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #2019493lakewhutParticipant
ck exactly the point is he’s made all of these issues worse and added problems on tip of then. There are supply chain problems because democrats discouraged people from working and gave them checks to sit around instead. Useful workers are losing their jobs due to the mandates. Trump didn’t get marines ane us citizens killed. Those who aren’t blue pulled left biden in droves. His approval gets worse by the week.October 21, 2021 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #2019501call me rabbi jParticipant
Let’s be real, Biden is a clown. He can’t speak properly and world leaders are not scared of him. He makes America look weakOctober 21, 2021 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #2019515hujuParticipant
There is some truth to the headline of this thread. The Democrats keep investigating Trump, and he keeps getting worse.October 21, 2021 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #2019574
Ubiq -“Ok I won’t. you don’t have to listen to me If you don’t believe me that Trump started empowering the Taliban Listen to the guy who wrote this “He made a deal with them – they were getting what they wanted and the US wasn’t being attacked.” See I’m not the only one who thinks that one of your personalities does too.”
Maybe you have different personalities – I don’t!
You didn’t even understand my post.
I agreed that Trump empowered the Taliban, but it was conditional.
That’s why I wrote this this -“He made a deal with them – they were getting what they wanted and the US wasn’t being attacked.”
What deal did Biden make?
“Give me a few days so I can Hi- tale it out of here.
Ok, I’ll let you kill a Few Americans to make you look good.”October 21, 2021 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #2019580
Ubiq -“I provided a defitnion. If you don;t like it you are free to provide your own.”
You provided a definition from Wikipedia.
It doesn’t have any intellectual value, because anybody can post there.
Here’s a definition from Britannica:
“Critical race theory (CRT), – intellectual and social movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. Critical race theorists are generally dedicated to applying their understanding of the institutional or structural nature of racism to the concrete (if distant) goal of eliminating all race-based and other unjust hierarchies.”
It doesn’t sound that anybody who believes in this is Playing with a Full Deck of Cards!
But the DemonCrat position is that this should be taught in all schools.
Please tell me how this definition is Logical or just based on excuses for Non-white people?!?October 21, 2021 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #2019589
The second half
“Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. Critical race theorists are generally dedicated to applying their understanding of the institutional or structural nature of racism to the concrete (if distant) goal of eliminating all race-based and other unjust hierarchies.”
Is one I support completely.
The first half I don’t understand so much
“I agreed that Trump empowered the Taliban”
Shalom al yisroel that’s exactly what I said
“The actual subject material tuaght is what defines CRT.”
1. I’m not sure that’s true. For example chemistry has a definition. If I call alchemy chemistry and you don’t want my alchemy taught in schools . Thst doesn’t mean you are opposed to chemistry. You don’t think alchemy is chemistry. Just because sone person is teaching something g and kabeks it “crt” dies t mean thsts what crt is
2. Nu so actual subject matter that you disagree with.
BTW this whole thread has gone off the, rails a bit I don’t think I can convince you to support crt. That was never my intention. Hopefully you can see why it isn’t all inherently bad. Ķwhich is what the op implied) to thst end I’m happy to answer specific questions, but don’t want to get to caught up in moving goal posts.October 21, 2021 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #2019404
Democrats are leftist perverts teaching kids perverted behavior, destroying the moral fiber of our society. They are perverts and are trying to force their perverted lifestyle on everyone. They are destroyers of our great country.
Republicans today are not much further behind. The Republicans of today would be called ultra-leftists decades ago. Nevertheless, it is the leftists who the train wreckers, the SJWs that will take this country over the edge. The Republicans are just outcome of the collective wreckage.October 22, 2021 12:11 am at 12:11 am #2019600
Wow, I can’t believe that frum Jews would support crt. Besides that it’s all about profit for those behind the push to teach this garbage in schools , it divides people and races by saying that whites are inherintly racist. It also places mixed race individuals in akward positions in the way they relate to themselves and their families. Many blacks have come out against crt, they say they are not victims, which is the truth, blacks today can have any job and work in any sector. Systemic racism against blacks is a false narrative.
As a Jew, I experienced racism from some blacks, how about we make classes to teach about black racism towards Jews. I know there are many of them who don’t like Jews, let’s teach in schools about how blacks are inherintely racist…
America is going down because of this leftist stupidity. In the end we will all pay because of all of this garbage. But no matter how bad the leftists make the US, they insist on wearing blinders.October 22, 2021 7:49 am at 7:49 am #2019603
Ubiq -“The second half
Is one I support completely.
The first half I don’t understand so much”
What you won’t admit – is the Second half is based on the first half – which is Totally Rubbish!
Shalom al yisroel that’s exactly what I said”
But you didn’t differentiate between Biden and Trump.
Trump was getting us out of Afghanistan safely, without American Deaths.
Biden couldn’t care less about Americans or even the Military.
He was rushing to get out, so he could have a Photo-op on 9/11/21.October 22, 2021 7:52 am at 7:52 am #2019609BY1212Participant
The only serious actual racists today are the racists promoting crt.
They want blacks to remain outside the American body politic and stuck in inner city wastelands and to do that they promote the feeling of victimhood despair and anger against whites to ensure that blacks never even attampt to better their situation.October 22, 2021 7:53 am at 7:53 am #20196172scentsParticipant
It doesn’t really matter if a crisis began under someones watch, especially something that is completely not under our control such as Covid, global shipping crisis, China power outages.
Yet, all of this has an effect on our country.
What really matters is what is being done in response to these crises.October 22, 2021 7:55 am at 7:55 am #2019619Zaphod BeeblebroxParticipant
Any intelligent person with the slightest bit of logical reasoning or critical thinking, who has actually done serious research into crt will quickly see an inane amount of logical inconsistencies and holes in the reasoning from beginning to end. It’s unbelievably dumb. Funnily enough, this actually creates a sort of paradox in that according to their beliefs, whites view members of other races as lesser, primarily in areas pertaining to intelligence. After doing some research, it was CRT itself which gave me reason to believe that this (that blacks are less intelligent), might actually be true! Certainly the people who came up with it were. Or maybe they were actually geniuses because they realized that by propagating this manure, they would be able to get away with pretty much anything…
I’m not just spouting what I heard from other people, I did the research because of all the hype that was going on about it and @ubiquitin, I suggest you do the same. If you’d like I can try and post some of the source material I used, but unless you have an agenda, you should be able to come to these conclusions simply by reading the original source material from the theory’s founders, and they were written years before it was twisted into something way worse by the morons of today.October 22, 2021 7:56 am at 7:56 am #2019624
“Wow, I can’t believe that frum Jews would support crt. ”
Its not so surprising we have been teaching the same thing for years. We Just focus on Jewish history.
For example the average Frum person knows more about the crusades than most Americans. Most American global history books have a few lines about the crusades, with no mention of the JEws. I have a several hundred page book on the crusades “Jews” are mentioned twice (Jews of JErusalem, the Jews of Germany are not mentioned at all.)
Example #2 : Pretty much all frum Jews have heard of Bohdan Khmelnytsky ym”sh. Almost no Americans have heard of him. He is of course an important figure in Ukrainian history (in fact there are statues glorifying him throughout the Ukraine.
We of course teach our children “Critical Jewish History”
Many in the U.S. don;t know American history when it comes to Race relations. Sure slavery is mentioned, and then Lincoln came in on his white horse and everybody sang kumbaya. The fact that you could say “Systemic racism against blacks is a false narrative.” Proves how necessary CRT is
” how about we make classes to teach about black racism towards Jews. ”
I’m all for it!
See you too support CRT
I didn’t think you’d come around. Thank youOctober 22, 2021 9:42 am at 9:42 am #2019651mesivta bachurParticipant
I don’t see why everyone is getting so worked up about CRT, it’s not being taught in OUR schools. No matter who where or when we will have racists. Racist whites who will shoot up shuls, and racist blacks who will shoot up stores and beat people up. WAKE UP (no pun intended) we’re in galus arguing about the supposed racism in our HOST country maybe we should focus on davening and learning and ranting about other stuff on the CR.October 22, 2021 9:44 am at 9:44 am #2019657
Ubiquitin, it’s really funny that you think CRT is only about history when it’s about division, the narrative of blacks being victims and forcing them into that mold, and engendering white self-loathing. This is not what we teach in Jewish history classes.
There is no systemic racism whatsoever. That’s a lie. There was a black president, there are black mayors and governors, blacks do have a problem getting into college and universities based on their skin color, often it’s white and Asian students who are not accepted because of affirmative action.
Furthermore, you have ignored my comment regarding black racism towards Jews. I have experienced that myself. So why aren’t blacks taught not to hate Jews? Many blacks also hate whites and exhibit racism towards them so why don’t we classify blacks according to their level of racism like they do to whites in CRT classes?October 22, 2021 10:11 am at 10:11 am #2019670hujuParticipant
To philosop: I am a left-leaning Democrat. Who are you to call me a pervert? And what have I ever advocated that would make me a pervert?
Based upon your post, I would suggest you are supremely rude.October 22, 2021 10:12 am at 10:12 am #2019675
I meant to write that blacks do NOT have a problem getting into colleges and universities.October 22, 2021 11:44 am at 11:44 am #2019690
huju, based on your post you do not know what left-leaning Democrats support. They support teaching kids in school about transgender and sex education. They promote pornographic material in school and spread all kinds of perverted material for class review.
This is what they are currently teaching in public schools run by left-leaning Democrats. If you support this then you are a pervert. If you don’t support this then your not a left-leaning Democrat and shouldn’t call yourself as such.October 22, 2021 12:11 pm at 12:11 pm #2019726
“Furthermore, you have ignored my comment regarding black racism towards Jews.”
did you read my post?
I DIRECTLY addressed that
Here it is again
“” how about we make classes to teach about black racism towards Jews. ”
Yes! I’m all for it!”
You ask why aren’t they taught not to hate!
They should be. All should be!
We need MORE CRT not less!
Especially since you don’t understand what systemic racism is as evidenced by your comment “There is no systemic racism whatsoever. That’s a lie. There was a black president…, ”October 22, 2021 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm #2019733
huju, I have responded earlier but the mods may not want to post it as I’ve described in detail the left-leaning Democrat agenda. If they do post it later then this will be a repeat in different words.
The left-leaning Democrats are promoting an agenda of immorality through propaganda in the mainstream media, social media and entertainment industry. But worse than that is that they have infiltrated public schools across the US and are brainwashing kids with their perverted material under the guise of education.
I would hope that you don’t support this and if you takeh don’t then don’t call yourself a “left-leaning Democrat” because this is who they are; total and complete perverts preying on innocent children.
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