April 23, 2012 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #603059shmoelMember
You know, cholent, kishka, kugel, latkes, and the whole litany of kosher food products considered to be traditional Jewish cuisines.April 23, 2012 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #869982Feif UnParticipant
Some are, some aren’t. It depends on what goes into it.
Kishka (at least the ones sold in stores) are very unhealthy. Latkes are fried in a lot of oil – pretty unhealthy. There are lots of types of kugel, some of which can be very good for you, some of which can be very bad for you.
Cholent depends on how it’s made. Use a lean meat and don’t add any oil, and it can be very healthy. Beans are a good source of protein.April 23, 2012 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #869983PBTMember
I’m not a doctor, and I’m also not a “health nut.” However, I do try to eat a healthy diet, with coaching from my doctor. The biggest problem I can see in the items you listed is fat content, especially in latkes and kugels. However, if they’re eaten in moderation and not the mainstay of the diet, they shouldn’t be an undue health risk. Cholent is basically a beef stew, which again is probably a ditto of the above regarding latkes and kugels.
The biggest problem I personally have is that a lot of the processed kosher items, such as chicken coating mixes, soups, etc., is the presence of MSG, to which I’m violently alergic. I’ve learned to read food labels real closely to avoid it.April 23, 2012 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #869984takahmamashParticipant
trollApril 23, 2012 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #869985blockheadParticipant
What do chazal say about them?April 23, 2012 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #869986yichusdikParticipant
As much as I love all of these foods, most often they are made with ingredients and prepared in a way that is High fat, High cholesterol, High carbohydrate, High sodium and low in fiber. It is no coincidence that the levels of heart disease, diabetes, and similar issues are high in our community.
There are ways to make some of these foods healthier, making some of them vegetarian, or using less oil/fat, or simply eating them in moderation. But heimish foods are definitely a challenge.April 23, 2012 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #869987enlightenedjewMember
Yes, if eaten in large portionsApril 23, 2012 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #869988TheGoqParticipant
Most comfort foods are unhealthy nothing makes you feel better than a clogged artery.April 23, 2012 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #869989lesschumrasParticipant
Traditional eastern European Jewish foodsApril 23, 2012 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #869990CsarMember
” It is no coincidence that the levels of heart disease, diabetes, and similar issues are high in our community.”
Where were these stats invented? Who said it is any higher than average?April 23, 2012 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #869992Shticky GuyParticipant
Dont forget greevin!April 23, 2012 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #869993
Chazal said that fatty foods were healthy, which was true until the mid-1700s. When became no longer terribly malnourished on average, that reality changed.April 23, 2012 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #869994always runs with scissors fastParticipant
In Eastern Europe a staple was canned goose fat.April 23, 2012 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #869995akupermaParticipant
As with most other peoples (e.g. Blacks, Hispanics of Native American origins), we have a cuisine designed for people who are starving. One should remember that calorie deficiency leads to an immediate and painful death. Our cuisine lacks many meat dishes (we could never afford much meat) and has minimal cheese (also a luxury item, even if most Ashkenazim weren’t lactose intolerant as adults). Sugar is a recent innovation in Europe, and it isn’t part of our traditional cuisine (same for corn produces). Bread and potatoes won’t kill you unless you overeat. Diabetes is largely a function of too much food and too little exercise, rather than a specific cuisine. High chloresterol could never be a problem with traditional Jewish cuisine since we couldn’t afford red meat and cheese. Given that Pizza (and hamburgers and hot dogs, not to mention sugar) have become the most popular foods of American Jews, I would attribute the health problems to American, rather than Jewish cuisine.April 23, 2012 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #869996yichusdikParticipant
Csar, first of all, there was an issue of Mishpacha magazine back in 2006 that devoted a number of pages to the challenges of Diabetes for our community particularly.
Next, Check out the Encyclopedia Judaica entry on Sickness, which discusses higher rates of cardiopulmonary problems and diabetes among North African and Ashkenazi Jews.
Next, The statistical prevalence of diabetes among Jews was even noted more than 100 years ago in the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia. See the entry on Diabetes Mellitus. It’s not a chidush.
Next, see Dr. Stephen Bloom of Imperial College, London, UK’s almost 30 years of work on the issues of heart disease, diabetes, and stroke incidence among Jews.
Next, check out the studies quoted in Koenig, McCullough, and Larsen’s book “The Handbook of Religion and Health”. It cites numerous studies which demonstrate statistics such as, to choose only one, an incidence of Coronary Artery Disease at 17% in Jewish males vs 7% in other populations.
The list goes on and on. It is something that has been recognized and studied for over 100 years, in Europe, North AMerica, and Israel. Why are you challenging the assertion? What is your agenda, Csar?April 23, 2012 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #869997derszogerMember
Diabetes is now a major problem among Americans in general, as akuperma pointed out. Not particular to Jews.April 23, 2012 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #869998zahavasdadParticipant
Its not just food, its healthy Living, Healthy living includes such things as exercise and shucking is NOT exercise
How many people who live 5 blocks from Shul, will walk there on Shabbos and drive there 3 times a day during the weekApril 23, 2012 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #869999No One Mourns The WickedMember
What do our resident medical experts say on this
Health? yentingyenta?April 23, 2012 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #870000MorahRachMember
I have many kugel recipes that are healthy. I try not to eat kishka it is very unhealthy. A big part of healthy eating is everything-in-moderation. So yes have cholent and latkes and what have you but only in moderation. Cholent can be very healthy though I use barley and a variety of beans, no oil or salt.
On a different note, I think many people on YWN do not understand what the term troll means. If you think someone is trolling them don’t comment on the thread in this case though I think that is reaching.April 23, 2012 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #870001writersoulParticipant
Chazal can’t really have anything to say about what we consider “Jewish foods” because they didn’t exist in their time (except for cholent, perhaps). Forget about the fact that these are not JEWISH foods, per se, but rather ASHKENAZI foods. Sefardim seem to eat much more healthily than Ashkenazim.April 23, 2012 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #870002
Writersoul: We began eating Cholent as a response to the Karaites, which should be after the time of Chazal.April 24, 2012 1:23 am at 1:23 am #870003writersoulParticipant
A) I said “perhaps” for a reason, not exactly being a boki in the origins of cholent.
B) That said, I don’t believe that that is the only hypothesis about its creation. I’ve heard of a lot of them.
C) Even if it were in response to such sects, it could still be around in the time of Chazal, as the Karaites were basically ripoffs of the Sadduccees and the Boethusians (Tzedokim and Beitusim), who had similar laws.
D) Either way, I still believe that there was probably no cholent in the time of the gemara and mishna, making this argument a moot point and reinforcing my previous post.
Please excuse me for taking up your time with a useless argument. I’m in a debating mood tonight.April 24, 2012 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #870004DovidMMember
When people did back-breaking labor, they had higher calorie requirements than we do now. Things like schmaltz, gribenes and kishke seem unhealthy to us but these may have been shabbos luxuries in the shtetl. A weekday meal may have been short on meat and fat.April 24, 2012 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #870005zahavasdadParticipant
many times there was no weekday meal except for the sweet taste of torah.
Wedings were done on Friday afternoon to combine the seudas kiddushin with Shabbos meal, Yeshivas had EATING daysApril 24, 2012 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #870006
DovidM: It wasn’t an issue of the work done. It was an issue of not having any food. And in many cities throughout much of Jewish (and European) history, those who were not very rich were lucky to get meat once or twice a year, forget once a week.April 24, 2012 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #870007bein_hasdorimParticipant
It’s actually super healthy and it’s a segulah to eat Hi-Mishe food.
It cleanses the stomach from all that low fat no fat sugar free
Sucralose, and other artificially produced rubbish.
Enjoy hearty all natural chulent, kishka, potato kugel, liver, etc..
chopped liver, (the fat content is chopped) as well.
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