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A casual perusal of the active threads in the coffee room turns up the following:
1. Threads containing outright apikorsus and kefirah, including hashkafos of Conservative “Judaism” and “Bible Criticism” among others (although the apparently OTD ex-chassidim posting those views probably don’t know who else shares their hashkafos.)
2. Threads containing gross bizui talmidei chachamim, including a thread with hundreds of posts over a month and a half using nivul peh to describe the Lubavitcher Rebbe, and a smaller number of equally disgusting comments about the Divrei Yoel.
3. Ad hominem insults and accusations galore, and two entire threads each devoted to bashing one particular participant.
4. Use of Nazi terminology to describe Jews, including in the title of a topic thread.
From reading the “Coffee Room” rules, let alone the rules of Halacha, it would seem that these things should not be here. So, what’s going on?
@yaakov-yosef-a
you have a problem with:
“Use of Nazi terminology to describe Jews, including in the title of a topic thread.”However:
There were a number of jewish nazis in WWII. There are well documented jewish “skinheads” in modern times.
Numerous gedolim have called both zionism and naziism “Amulek”.
Numerous gedolim have pointed out that Zionism (amongst klal yisroel) was the root cause of the Rise of Naziism and the Holocaust.
Numerous gedolim have pointed out that Zionist directly and indirectly supported the Nazi Holocaust.
Numerous gedolim have pointed out that Zionism was key “derech haTeva” cause of the Holocaust.Supporters of Zionism carry much of the same ideology against Judaism as Hitler shr”y and other Nazi thought leaders.
Supporters of Zionism carry much of the same practical goals against Judaism as Hitler shr”y and other Nazi thought leaders.I’m not sure what you have issue with.
Now you understand why the Gedolim shlita banned the Internet.
There’s no kashering neveilus.
Agreed. The Coffee Room is seriously unpleasant and lacks any substantive discussion lately. It’s interesting to see what’s been moderated and what gets through.
Yaakov yosef stop trying to control everything
UJM: No offense intended, sir, but you are THE WORST offender!
Ujm, so why don’t you listen to these Gedolim and get off the Internet?
And is “Rav Yitzchok Ehrentreu” one of the Gedolim to which you refer?
it is what generates clicks maybe? I think when a certain outrageous position is expressed, it is ok to respond a couple of times, but maybe stop otherwise and have more interesting discussions.
Mabe it is a psychological thing that you feel no need to respond to a reasonable post, but feel a need to respond to an outrage. Is it avak anger?
Train yourself to get dopamin from a good kashah instead of a provocative statement.somejew falsely claims that there were a number of jewish nazis in WWII.
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names , places and dates please ?
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.None 2.0, there’s tons of places where anyone can view Kfira. This is one spot that was designated not to be like that. Are you afraid of allowing a Kfira-free environment in one particular website?
And, if you wonder, Kefira is very clearly defined in Halacha. It has nothing to do with having an answer to it.
beyond the well known zionists like kestner and avraham stern of Lechi. you can read about many more at wikipedia “Jewish_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany”
jewish people’s collaboration with germany does not make a nazi , that’s absolutely ridiculous.
are the judenrat’s members ,nazi’s ????
total rubbish.
.I have a better question
If the thread isn’t really “moderated” why does it take so long for posts to be “approved” it should either be “all or nothing” in regards to this
To the group
Yaakov Yosef A abandoned a thread in which he was heavily involved because he couldn’t(wouldn’t) answer the challenges of Yankel Berel and non-political So instead he starts his own thread and criticizes the moderators because they don’t follow his bidding While he accuses others of attacking the Lubavicher Rebbe, he fails to admit that when Rabbi Aaron Feldman, who called Manis Friedman a Kofer, was introduced to the thread he said he wasn’t interested So calling the Rebbe names is a problem for YYA but it’s okay to brush off a Gadol As Bob Grant would say, “He’s a phake, phony phraud”
I think some posters are getting distracted by personal battles. It makes sense to point out an inconsistency in someone’s views as it pertains to validity of the arguments. But there is no need to repeatedly challenge your opponent to respond and to chase them through threads. It is really disrespect to readers and moderators.
If you have an urge to do that, do what gemora suggests for such urges: dress in all black and go to a faraway cable news channel and flame there. Then, come back here for a reasonable discussion.
I think the idea was to moderate it to match a certain standard, and that’s the way it has been for a long time. There used to be several moderators, but now I believe it’s down to one. No one gets paid to do it; and it can become overwhelming, especially when it’s a thankless job — usually.
That would explain things getting through rather than the one volunteer weighing the benefits of each post. Besides, we don’t know which ones never made it in.
qwerty: absolutely people insult the Lubavitcher. We’re in good company – R’ Shach zt”l, who was the gadol hador. He compared the Lubavitcher to Shabtai Zvi, called him a Mashiach sheker, and also referred to him as “the madman who sits in New York and drives the whole world crazy”.
For the time being I’m through with the Coffee Room. The conversations lately are a clear illustration of the posuk that says שִׂנְאָה תְּעוֹרֵ֣ר מְדָנִ֑ים and too many of the posters here illustrate the mishna of שִׂנְאַת הַבְּרִיּוֹת, מוֹצִיאִין אֶת
הָאָדָם מִן הָעוֹלָםAs long as the conversations continue on this vein, for the sake of my health B’Ruchnius U’Bgasmius I will no longer be a participant here.
A specific thread headline , was the final straw in my participation here. I won’t mention which one because I know the frothing at the mouth haters who control and dominate so much of the conversation here will just double down on it
K’siva V’chasima Tova!
Agree with @coffee addict
DaMoshe: Baruch Hashem I’m thrilled that you’ve seen the light and you became a supporter of HaGaon HaRav Eleazar Mann Shach zt’l and shared some of his thoughts. I’m sure you’ll just as much appreciate a few more thoughts from Rav Shach.
Rav Shach said that secular Israelis are “breeders of rabbits and pigs” who did not “know what Yom Kippur is.”
Rav Shach said places like Yeshiva University promoting a fusion of Torah with secular studies are “an absolute disaster,” warning that they posed a threat to the endurance of authentic Judaism.
Rav Shach rejected the Religious Zionist movement, viewing it as a secular ideology cloaked in religious garb. He criticized the movement for attempting to merge Jewish religious identity with nationalist aspirations, which undermined the sanctity of Torah. He related that the Religious Zionists had adopted a secular messianism, attempting to solve the “Jewish Problem” through human means rather than divine intervention.
@YYA:
1) Are you referrring to the deleted thread about Artscroll’s nasty and uncalled for hatchet job of Hakham Faur? That thread had nothing to do with “Haskhafos of Conservative Judaism” and was about Artscroll’s tendency to call a hagiography a biography, when those are decidedly not the same thing in the slightest. It was also moving away from that hatchet job to Sephardic approaches to Halacha and Aggada, a very tame subject.
(BTW, if you think I’m an OTD Chossid, you’re very far removed from the truth. The correct label would be “Frum without any Mishugassen or idiotic Chumros whatsoever”. I also have zero connection to the Chassidish world.)2) This is true, but I admittedly don’t read the threads about Chabad. I do not believe I have ever been disrespectful vis a vis Satmar. I do wonder if you’re offended by the use of “Shem Resha’im Yirkav” in connection with Rav Kook ZT”L, something somejewiknow used to routinely do until I asked the mods to stop him – which they did, or if your objection only applies to Charedi Rabbonim.
3) This should not have happened, but we all know that the resident notorious troll started all this by questioning my Yichus – an idiotic thing to do – and those threads were largely in response to that. You yourself called out that individual.
4) I don’t disagree that this is wrong and those threads should have been deleted.
One more thing: This is the internet, you cannot easily control what is posted and what isn’t.
And like Smerel, I’m done here for now. There are far too many Sonei Yisrael from the Charedi Tzibbur here who would rather hate on their Dati Leumi and Modern Orthodox brethren than do anything else.
I agree with “Coffee Addict”.
ZSK, most people do not know the meaning of the word “hagiography”.
This is the definition of hagiography:
[1] The writing of the lives of saints.
[2] A biography of a saint.
[3] The writing of an admiring or idealized biography.[YU] > promoting a fusion of Torah with secular studies
what is this fusion? I didn’t notice it so far. They have Jewish studies and have general studies. Both are reasonable for the general community, not necessarily very high level. They are designed to a certain slice of am yisroel. You are free to argue for the benefit of Torah-only education for various reasons, and you can be suspicious of general college effect on Jewish youths, but it is silly to argue that an observant Jew is not allowed to learn biology or business in observant Jewish environment. Most of the students came to YU not instead of Lakewood, but instead of Columbia or SUNY.
I think if we all stop making mods life hard by posting ad hominems and hateful comments, the level of moderation will improve. Maybe every time there is a day break, it is some mod taking a day off after reading all the posts so that we don’t have to.
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