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Yankel: Katner’s defense of Nazi mass murderers AFTER the war in the Nuremberg Trials is quite well known and a matter of the historical record. He was even condemned for it in Israeli courts (the Judge Levy trial).
I definitely recognize you are not defending Kastner.
But aside from the train, read read about the Vrba-Wetzler Report. Kastner knew IN ADVANCE what Eichmann and the Nazis were planning to do to the Hungarian Jews, deport them to Aushwitz and gas them to death, and he yet refused to publicly disclose that information to the Hungarian Jews so that they would otherwise refuse to voluntarily go on the trains to Aushwitz.
Yaakov: In ?????? ?? ????? Rabbi Shlomo Yaakov Gelbman points out that Kastner and the SS officers (Kurt Becher and Dieter Wisliceny) formed a genuine camaraderie. The book emphasizes that they drank together, played cards, and socialized while Jews were burning. The book highlights Kastner’s post-war testimony at Nuremberg on behalf of Kurt Becher and others like Hermann Krumey as the ultimate proof of his betrayal. It says that Kastner testified for Becher not because of a “promise,” but because they were “partners in crime.” It says that Kastner needed Becher to survive and remain free so that their shared secrets (and potentially shared loot) would not be exposed.
The book mentions that Kastner and the Zionist establishment in Palestine actively blocked or sabotaged rescue attempts that did not lead to Palestine. It says the Zionists believed that saving Jews to send them to America or Romania would not help build the State of Israel. They needed “Chalutzim” (pioneers) for the state, not refugees for the Diaspora.
The book brings evidence that the Va’ada (Kastner’s committee) had access to vast sums of money from the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (“The Joint”) and other sources. It states Kastner refused to use this money to bribe border guards or finance underground railroads into Romania (a safer option for the masses). The book points out that Kastner feared that “disorderly” mass escapes would anger Eichmann and jeopardize the “VIP Train.”
It suggests that while the “Blood for Goods” (Trucks for Jews) offer was on the table, the Zionist leadership did not genuinely try to raise the money or fake the negotiations to stall the slaughter, because they were fixated on the smaller, surer “Zionist” victory of the train.
?????? ?? ????? concludes that Kastner was a traitor who sacrificed the 450,000 Jews of the Hungarian provinces to save a few thousand “Zionist assets” and his own family.
The memoirs of Adolf Eichmann ym”s were published in 1960 by Life Magazine. Eichmann described Kastner with a chilling “respect.” He called Kastner an “ice-cold lawyer” and a “fanatic Zionist.” This is quote from Eichmann’s memoirs:
“I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal… He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting in the deportation camps if I would close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate to Palestine. It was a good bargain.”
Eichmann essentially confirmed the prosecution’s theory: Kastner (who regularly drank cognac and played cards with Eichmann) traded the orderliness of the masses (“biological waste” in Eichmann’s eyes) for the “best biological material” (the pioneers/Zionists).
Even if everything that UJM said about Mr. Kastner is true
(and why should we believe it is true, without Shomer Shabbos witnesses)
that *** DOES NOT JUSTIFY *** UJM’s relentless fanatical hate
against *** ALL *** Zionists, even Religious Zionists, 75 years later.SQUARE_ROOT said: “Even if everything that UJM said about Mr. Kastner is true
(and why should we believe it is true, without Shomer Shabbos witnesses)”Most of these things are in fact true, and for a lot of them there are Shomer Shabbos witnesses. The fact that the Zionists in general (not just Kastner) were opposed to (or at least indifferent to) any Hatzalah effort that wouldn’t bring Jews to (what was then called British Mandate) Palestine, is well documented. Kastner himself was assassinated in Israel some years later, although who exactly did it (his enemies or his “friends”…) and why (for plain revenge, or to prevent his further trial from exposing things the assassin and his friends wanted to keep hidden…) remains a mystery (which was never properly investigated by the Israeli police…)
“that *** DOES NOT JUSTIFY *** UJM’s relentless fanatical hate
against *** ALL *** Zionists, even Religious Zionists, 75 years later.”It does justify not getting too excited about the State of Israel and its founders. It certainly doesn’t justify the insanity of the (Neo) “Neturei Karta”. By the way, Religious Zionists may actually be the only “real” Zionists left.
More from “To the Butcher II”, Life Magazine, December 5, 1960.
The Setting: Argentina, 1957. Eichmann was living freely as “Ricardo Klement.” Interviewer: Willem Sassen, a Dutch journalist.
?”This Dr. Kastner… was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting in the deportation camps if I would close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate to Palestine. It was a good bargain.”
Eichmann said that he and Kastner shared a similar ideology: that the “masses” were less important than the “elite.”
?Eichmann wrote that Kastner was willing to sacrifice the old, the assimilated, and the “weak” Jews to save the “best biological material”—the young pioneers who would build Israel.?The Quote: “For Kastner, as for me, it was a question of the best biological material.”
He stated that Kastner knew exactly where the trains were going (Auschwitz). Eichmann wrote: “We trusted each other perfectly… With his great polish and reserve he (Kastner) would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.”
?Direct Quotation: “He (Kastner) agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation—and even keep order in the collection camps—if I would close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It was a good bargain.”
Direct Quotation: ?”While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigarette after another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them with a little silver lighter.”
for once I agree with square
the historical episode with kastner – either way
is totally irrelevant to ujm ‘s real objective …
the dismantlement of the blindly hated medina
leaving millions of innocents at the ‘mercy’ of somejews friends , chas veshalom ….
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.Shimon Katz said:
“Religious Zionists may actually be the only real Zionists left.”
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MY RESPONSE:I agree with this comment.
In the 1990s, many Secular Israelis were identifying as “Post-Zionist”,
meaning that they no longer identified themselves as Zionists.I strongly suspect that this trend has increased greatly since then,
even though Jews are no longer talking about it.Yankel Berel said:
“For once, I agree with SQUARE.”
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MY RESPONSE:Thank you, sir.
I wish you a safe and warm winter.
ujm blindly trusts the testimony of a confirmed mass murderer ….
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anyway —the historical episode with kastner – either way
is totally irrelevant to ujm ‘s real objective …
the dismantlement of the blindly hated medina
leaving millions of innocents at the ‘mercy’ of somejews friends , chas veshalom ….
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.Yankel: The overwhelming evidence condemning Kastner does not rely on Eichmann ym”s. It is so overwhelming that even Kastner’s own Zionist courts in Israel condemned him as a traitor to the Jewish people.
Zionist Judge Halevi, in the Kastner Trial, condemned Kastner for “having sold his soul to the Devil”.
again ujm is moving the goalposts
it was ujm who quoted eichman to besmirch kastner
so my following post stands :
ujm blindly trusts the testimony of a confirmed mass murderer ….
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anyway —the historical episode with kastner – either way
is totally irrelevant to ujm ‘s real objective …
the dismantlement of the blindly hated medina
leaving millions of innocents at the ‘mercy’ of somejews friends , chas veshalom ….
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.Yankel: You are again a prevaricator. I brought proofs from Talmidei Chachomim and even from the Zionists themselves, where their courts and judges in Israel condemned Kastner.
UJM said:
Zionist Judge Halevi, in the Kastner Trial,
condemned Kastner for “having sold his soul to the Devil”.
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MY RESPONSE:You just contradicted yourself!
You have said or implied many times, that the ONLY people
we should listen to are the Chareidi Gedolim, and everyone else
should be completely ignored, especially the Zionists.Yet you just asked as to believe Judge Halevi,
even though he is [or was] a “Zionist”!Why should we believe a Zionist like Judge Halevi,
after you told us NOT to listen to Zionists?
__________________________________________On a different topic, your comments in this YWN Coffee Room
have done more to make Jews HATE EACH OTHER
than anything else that I have seen in many years.You constantly work to make Jews HATE EACH OTHER,
and YWN is also guilty, because they approve your
hate-filled hate-causing comments.If YWN truly desires to promote Jewish unity
and help Jews be zocheh to the Melech HaMashiach,
then they should delete all of your comments and ban you completely.In Olam HaBa, the hate between Jews that you caused many times
will outweigh all of your good deeds, and drag you down to Gehinom.
You laugh at me now, but you won’t be laughing in Gehinom.And YWN Moderators will join you in Gehinom,
because they approved your sinful comments.smerel: “As I said a few months ago I’m no longer posting here because of the type of people who do. Now I’m taking the next step and having my filter block it altogether. “
This was the second time smerel claimed he will be gone from this site, and now he was gonna block it in his filter, altogether!
Yikes; just when we thought we *really* will be missing him this time, we find him — again — this week posting on the main site of YWN.
Apparently he was able to figure out a trick to beat his filter.
ujm is not answering so will do it for him …
ujm’s post from December 7, 2025 4:23 pm :
The memoirs of Adolf Eichmann ym”s were published ….. Eichmann described Kastner with a chilling “respect.” He called Kastner an “ice-cold lawyer” and a “fanatic Zionist.” This is quote from Eichmann’s memoirs:
“I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal… He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting in the deportation camps if I would close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate to Palestine. It was a good bargain.”
[ujm]——–
ujm trusts the testimony of a confirmed mass murderer ….
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.Yankel: I offered the Zionists own testimony against Kastner’s Nazi collaboration , I offered Gedolei Yisroel’s testimony against Kastner Nazi collaboration and, as a point of reference in addition to the preceding, I offered what the Nazis themselves said about Kastner’s collaboration with them.
@Ujm :
anyway —
the historical episode with kastner – either way
is totally irrelevant to your real objective …
the dismantlement of the blindly hated medina
leaving millions of innocents at the ‘mercy’ of somejews friends , chas veshalom ….
.
.yankel berel,
“ujm trusts the testimony of a confirmed mass murderer”
That’s because he’s from Nazi blood and not even Jewish!
@gadol hadofi
ujm quotes the testimony of a confirmed mass murderer …
… because anything goes to satisfy his blind obsession : the dismantlement of the fanatically hated medina at all costs …
…. at all costs ….
…. those terrible costs to be born by millions of innocents in EY …
but not by ujm …. he will watch safely from his home ….
ujm seems quite royal about those costs … he will not have suffer any of those costs ….
nor will his compatriots somejew and katan have to suffer ….
that may explain their blind and fanatical posts ….
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.Yankel Berel, I thank you for speaking THE TRUTH about UJM.
UJM should LISTEN to Yankel Berel, because Yankel Berel is SMARTER than UJM.
UJM is NOT INTELLIGENT — he just has a big mouth, a very big mouth.
I met a great mashpia in dubai where we were doing a kiruv fabreng and he said that a yesod is everything is good in moderation.
so the moderations of this website are probaly good and doing their best.
Its like the maaseh of the Rinshanzder roov who told a goy to jump. The goy jumped and the ruv said “you see? a goy can only jump so high but when a yid jumps he truly jumps!!”99% of the machlokes and Sinas Chinam and Lashon HaRa
and Motzi Shem Ra on this web site is caused by UJM and HaKatan.Over the past three years, many people have condemned them,
right here in this Coffee Room; but they never stop,
because brainwashed fanatical lunatics do not know when to stop.If the so-called “moderators” if this web site would
actually do their jobs, then UJM and HaKatan
would have been banned years ago.I’m glad to live rent-free in SR’s head.
Crying that everyone should be moderated cuz you can’t handle adversity is like a liberal crying cuz he didn’t get his participation trophy. If you don’t have a good comeback for someones statement. Closing your eyes to adversity doesn’t make your oppinion better or more true. You can easily be living in an echo chamber of lies
I am highly insulted that I was not including, you always complain about me
Aren’t we such a kind nation. Such a giving nation
Such a perfect nation.
No. No we are not
We are filled with people with such extreme ideologies they sometimes forget their humanity
Sometimes they even put presentation before their humanity in their day to day interactions.
I think these posts on this website is just a small into the horror and civil horror of our society. Our infantile bickering and name-calling and abject cruelty over a stupid disagreement.
Imagine how cruel we are to each other in the street because of slight differences.
Y’all lauph at me when I keep repeating these lines over and over again cuz here on this very website your prove to me again how right I am about the abject cruelty that brews among us
If we don’t change fast God will change us and he’s showing us everyday how angry He is. Are you going to listen or whatIdeology is the very thing that got Adam and chava kicked out of the garden. God said “from all the trees you may eat of them but from the tree of _knowledge_ of good and evil you may not eat of”
You listened to the snake who told you that to know good and evil and be self righous will make you like God. But no it does not. It makes you _lose your humanity_
Do you want to be thrown out of eden. Again and again and again? When are you going to learn you lesson? Never?he testified about Kurt Becher who got acquitted. NO ONE denies that
ideology , when correct, is excellent …
long live ideology !
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rescue could do with a crash course on the issur of being motsi shem ra on klal yisrael ….
wherever I go I see rachmanim bayshanim and gomlei hasadim
baruch hashem for that …
can they improve ? … yes
are they bad ? has veshalom …..
If you fit in, you don’t toe the line, you say everything your supposed to of course nobody is going to bother you, but for people who can’t measure up to the impossible standards and can’t make ends meet. Dont have it all. It’s a very different attitude they are dealt. So maybe don’t talk until your there ok?
And again you can keep putting your head in the sand, but as the standards rise, people become disconnected from reality, ideology so strong people can’t critically think anymore, you think peoples humanity won’t be affected? Unfortunately I have horror stories that would put the entire nation to shame.
We present as perfect, it’s all a polite facade but when it comes to real morality….some of us…..and its getting worse….are completely disconnected unfortunely“motzia shem ra on klal yisroel. So tell every navi in the past that came to warn the people that klal yisroel can’t handle anyone who tells them their doing something morally wrong. There is no person on earth that does not err. Including the Jewish people as a whole. So why don’t you go look in the mirror see that your human just like everybody else and think about it when someone tells you what’s lacking in your character, because if we always let others sing our praises and never tell us the truth we will never amount to nothing
Pachad (Hebrew: ???????) is a Hebrew word used in the Torah to convey _dread_ terror, or fear—often describing a profound sense of alarm, especially in response to divine presence or imminent danger.
Meaning: The term denotes a sudden alarm or overwhelming fear, both as a feeling and as the object of fear. It can refer to:
Divine terror instilled in enemies of IsraelPachad means dread, fear
Yirah means _awe_ reverance
The two are distinct and cannot mean the other sorrySorry wrong thread.
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