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June 18, 2020 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1873775
Who thinks the cop is Guilty of Anything?June 19, 2020 8:21 am at 8:21 am #1874299QuayboardwarriorParticipant
What would have been so bad about letting Brooks get away that it was preferable to shoot him?June 19, 2020 8:23 am at 8:23 am #1874296Someone in MonseyParticipant
Liberals. Black activists. Fools. The usual suspects.June 19, 2020 9:39 am at 9:39 am #1874321lowerourtuition11210Participant
Quay: Would you want someone with a BAL of .108 loose with a taser?June 19, 2020 9:41 am at 9:41 am #1874326
The Atlanta police officers, both of them, are unsung heroes deserving of a medal. For 40 minutes these heroic officers calmly dealt with a drunken driver with a criminal record that had an outstanding warrant against him and sweetly got all of his information, determined what occurred and were diplomats.
When it became necessary to arrest him for drunken driving, as is required under the law and police policy to keep the roads safe in addition to the outstanding warrant against him, they calmly told him he drank too much and they’ll need to handcuff him now. The criminal then suddenly became violent, physically attacked the officers, grabbed one of their deadly weapon and fired it at them. When he ran away and fired the deadly weapon aimed at the officer a second time, the office correctly defended his life and shot him in self-defense, removing another criminal from society where he would continue to harm innocents, as he had in the past — including children.
The Atalanta DA and Mayor are thugs who blatantly and outright lied about what occurred and can easily be seen on multiple videos. The DA put an innocent police officer, who faithfully served his community and society with distinction, in prison under false pretenses in order to satisfy the street mob.June 19, 2020 9:42 am at 9:42 am #1874328
Hopefully the entire Atlanta police department will go on strike so the demagogues can have their dream “defund the police” become reality with the closure of the police department and Atalanta, within days from now, becoming a declared lawless zone that’s sealed off from outsiders, to prevent outsiders being victimized by a lawless society.June 19, 2020 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #1874419jackkParticipant
The DA that indicted him has more testimony and evidence than anybody posting here will ever have.
They have to try the case in a court and prove it to a judge and jury. They decided that what he did was wrong and they have enough evidence.
“Hopefully, the entire Atlanta police department will go on strike”. If they don’t want to be police officers , they can all resign or even better they can be fired. They will lose all of their benefits and seniority. There would be plenty of applicants for the open positions.
These police will never find another job. They are not 4 year college educated graduates. They are dedicated public servants .
If only Quay can so logically say that an interaction between a person drunkenly sleeping in their car and the police should not end with police executing him, then the USA has a real problem with GOP/Trump supported and approved police brutality.
Maybe there should be more riots against police brutality since the GOP/Trump so aggressively protested Colin Kapernicks peaceful protest. Maybe then you will wake up that many police are loose cannons and can be internally disciplined for years but never forced off the force.June 19, 2020 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #1874424akupermaParticipant
Next Purim, if a totally drunk Yid is making a fool of himself, resists a lawful arrest and grabs a taser (i.e. non-lethal weapon useless over distance) and then runs away – is it okay for the cop to shoot him in the back as he is running away.
Clearly not pre-meditated murder or felony murder, but probably manslaughter (and failing to follow orders, which is grounds for dismissal from the police force).June 19, 2020 1:53 pm at 1:53 pm #1874449
The two Atlanta officers not only didn’t do a single thing incorrectly, even remotely, their interaction at that incident from beginning till the end was a model response of how any police officer anywhere should handle such a situation.
Police academies across the country should use video of this incident to train future police officers to react similarly to how these two heroic Atlanta officers handled the situation.June 19, 2020 2:47 pm at 2:47 pm #1874493
Effectively, the situation in America today, especially in the media and among the street mobs, is that any time a police officer is doing his duty in faithfully, fairly and properly upholding the law, if the officer is white and the criminal is black, any enforcement action the law enforcement officer is required to carry out against the criminal is deemed wrong and murderous.
Instead of handcuffing the criminals, the left-wing mobsters in BLM, the media, leaders of the rioters, looters and anarchists together with Democrat Party politicians are handcuffing the police officers. And then falsely accusing them and charging them for their own political benefits to appease the street mobs.June 19, 2020 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #1874494
What a joke! Joseph, how do you do thst with astraight face? Going on and on waxing poetic about some story you gleaned from too much screen time and video clips. And you think you have a full story about it and the officers? What a laugh. You cravings to stir people up is so transparent that i am often shocked that people take the bait. Myself IncludedJune 19, 2020 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #1874497
Quayboardwarrior-“What would have been so bad about letting Brooks get away that it was preferable to shoot him? ” 1 he didn’t shoot him for running away, he shot him for pointing a taser at him!! 2 if the police just let him go he could run someone over and you would be yelling at the police for letting a drunk driver get awayJune 19, 2020 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #1874498
jack-“The DA that indicted him has more testimony and evidence than anybody posting here will ever have.”
that same DA that said a taser isn’t a deadly weapon , is a pathological liar , and is under corruption charges , and literally to weeks ago said a taser is a deadly weapon when charging a police with shooting a taser at protesters!! and it all on cameraJune 19, 2020 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #1874500
akuperman -“Next Purim, if a totally drunk Yid is making a fool of himself, resists a lawful arrest and grabs a taser (i.e. non-lethal weapon useless over distance) and then runs away – is it okay for the cop to shoot him in the back as he is running away.”
if ANYONE grabs a taser from a cop and tries shooting it at him weather drunk or not, the cop should shoot him!! if not the guy would shoot the cop and take his gun and shoot him with the gun or he could beat the cop up or he could constantly shoot him with the taser which is very dangerous , even the first time can be fatalJune 19, 2020 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm #1874522NOYBParticipant
This guy was driving drunk, fought the police, stole one of their weapons, and tried to use it on them. the orientation of his body as he shot a stolen taser at a police officer is completely irrelevant. Even if he had just grabbed the taser and run, and they shot him in the back, it would STILL be ok! The supreme court ruled in Tenessee v. Garner that if the police think someone poses a threat to the public they can use appropriate force to prevent that person’s escape. A drunk child abuser who fought the cops and was running away with a stolen taser is certainly a threat. I don’t care if he was a yid, a goy, or a purple octopus- if you drive drunk, fight the police, and attempt to shoot them with a weapon you stole from them, you are going to get shot.
The DA absolutely DOES NOT have any more evidence than we do- vha raya the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said they hadn’t given him any evidence or finished their investigation when the DA decided to charge the officers. Also, there is no “more evidence” that makes it ok to drive drunk, fight police, steal one of their tasers, and attempt to shoot them with it, all of which has been proven on multiple publicly accessible videos. The DA is under investigation for corruption and me too-related charges, and is currently losing in an election, so I think we all know why these officers were charged. Aside from being a terrible person, the DA said that one of the officers had agreed to turn state’s witness against the other, which was a lie, and just two weeks ago said a taser was a deadly weapon (when he was trying to punish police for using it) and is now saying it wasn’t, because he wants to get police in trouble.
The police in Atlanta didn’t walk out because they were mad (although they certainly are). They walked out because one of their colleagues was just tried with murder for following the procedure they were trained on and using deadly force on a suspect who was attempting to tase him. This makes it unsafe for them to do their job. Imagine if your boss at a restaurant told you that you should make a sandwich a certain way, then charged you $10,000 because a restaurant reviewer didn’t like the sandwich. Would you stay, and risk another $10,000 fine every time you made a sandwich the way you were trained, or would you leave because you don’t want to risk it? Police don’t wnat to work in a job where they either have to accept anything a criminal does to them, or risk jail time if they respond in any way, even if their response is proper.June 19, 2020 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #1874545
Shooting him in the leg would have been enough.June 21, 2020 1:32 am at 1:32 am #1874678Doing my bestParticipant
1) Rayshard Brooks did not deserve to die.
2) that still does not mean the cop did anything wrong when he shot Brooks. he had a taser pointed at him and had the full right to defend himself. shooting at a specific body part is very hard when you need to shoot in a split second, that’s why he simply pointed at center of mass and fired.June 21, 2020 10:53 am at 10:53 am #1874699
DMB -“Rayshard Brooks did not deserve to die.”
And he wouldn’t have, but HE decided to take a cop’s taser & resist Arrest.
Oh & Btw, he FIRED the Taser at the Cop!June 21, 2020 10:56 am at 10:56 am #1874737
nomesorah- it seems like you’ve never shot a gun, because if you have you will know that theres a very low chance that you will hit him if you shoot him in the leg at night while hes running! even a if hes a marksman!! and he has only a few seconds before he gets tased to hit him!!June 21, 2020 12:08 pm at 12:08 pm #1874782NOYBParticipant
To add to Som1’s post- aside from the low likelihood of hitting someone’s leg, legs have veins and arteries that can easily be fatal if hit. For these two reasons, anyone who expects to be in any sort of self defense situation is trained to avoid attempting leg shots.June 21, 2020 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #1874861
Joe -“The two Atlanta officers not only didn’t do a single thing incorrectly, even remotely, their interaction at that incident from beginning till the end was a model response of how any police officer anywhere should handle such a situation.
Police academies across the country should use video of this incident to train future police officers to react similarly to how these two heroic Atlanta officers handled the situation.”
NOW the TRUTH Comes OUT – You’re a Closet LIBERAL!
They first cop that showed up, should have put him in handcuffs to Detain him.
If s/o is sleeping in a Drive -thru lane, you Detain Him to Investigate!June 21, 2020 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #1874929Doing my bestParticipant
“ And he wouldn’t have, but HE decided to take a cop’s taser & resist Arrest.”
I’m not sure what you are trying to do. Are you trying to argue with me? But you wrote basically the same thing that I did, “ that still does not mean the cop did anything wrong when he shot Brooks. he had a taser pointed at him and had the full right to defend himself.”
I guess you are simply agreeing with me, but then why the caps and exclamation points?June 22, 2020 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #1875136
DMB -“I guess you are simply agreeing with me, but then why the caps and exclamation points?”
My point was you should have left out – -“Rayshard Brooks did not deserve to die.”
Your point was your #2.June 22, 2020 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1875299SchnitzelBigotParticipant
Am I the only one that sees a connection between whites “accidentally” killing their slaves during “moderate corrections” in 1860 and the white descendants who are now police offers (modern day slave overseers) executing Blacks for drunk driving?June 22, 2020 7:23 pm at 7:23 pm #1875348
Schnitzel: What on earth are you confused with? They never killed their slaves. Because that would be shooting themselves in their foot by destroying their own property.
And they aren’t killing blacks now either. Other than criminals who cause their own fate.June 22, 2020 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #1875355
Rayshard Brooks was a criminal, with a warrant out, who had been violent to children. He was bused driving drunk. The Atlanta officers were very polite to him. He then hit them, grabbed the officers deadly weapon, shot that weapon at the officers, ran away while shooting the deadly weapon a second time at the police officer, at which point the officer rightfully shot back at him in self-defense.June 23, 2020 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #1875629
He should have shot him in the leg instead of chasing him. There was plenty of time to take good aim.June 23, 2020 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #1875657
n0m: The officer chased him because he wanted to catch him without resorting to a deadly weapon. The officer was only forced to fire his weapon when the criminal aimed and fired the deadly weapon he seized from the officer against the officer, after the chase started.June 23, 2020 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #1875660
What was the officer thinking by chasing him? If he was afraid for his own safety he should have used lethal force as soon as he lost the taser. If the suspect was not a danger, he should have let him run and radioed for a manhunt. If they chased him for assaulting them and disarming an officer, they did not have to kill him. (No idea what the law is in Georgia. Nor do I care.)June 23, 2020 2:02 pm at 2:02 pm #1875661
Why did the officer create this self defense situation? This is not to say the suspect was one bit justified. The officer was stupid. What was he going to do when he ran after him? Knock him down? Ask him for the taser back? Offer him a ride home? If the officer could run a bit faster, he would have gotten tased in the face. He was not protecting himself at all. Finally, when the suspect is running away and no longer an immediate threat, he shoots him.June 23, 2020 2:02 pm at 2:02 pm #1875662
It seems to me that the Officer did get hit by the taser. Who cares that he is sleeping in the drive-thru? get him out of the way and move on. What investigation will you do? See if he is communicating with soviet spies? Two officers couldn’t cuff him after him being compliant. If one officer would have tried to immediately book him (For
what?) he would have gotten away for sure.June 23, 2020 2:02 pm at 2:02 pm #1875665
Joseph sees a connection. Neither reality could be possible from his point of view. If he blocks them out for the same reason, than that points to a connection.June 23, 2020 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #1875670
The first time the taser was fired, (during the struggle) it was not at anyone. [And, how can you tell who fired it?] When The Officer finally used his gun, it was not self defense anymore.June 23, 2020 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #1875673
nOmesorah -“He should have shot him in the leg instead of chasing him.”
This case is Not about Black & White.
No cop anywhere is taught to Shoot in the legs.
They are taught either Head or Torso.
Don’t make up your Own rules just because it’s PC!June 23, 2020 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #1875742The little I knowParticipant
While all may be consoled that i am not interested in entering politics, nor will I ever be party to create new legislation, I feel differently about our crime laws. Anyone involved in a violent crime (needs to be defined) can be apprehended in the middle of the action, and deadly force is an option (similar to the halacha of rodef). Someone committing a street crime of mugging can be shot, and the killing of the criminal should not only not be prosecuted, but it should be heralded as heroic. In practical terms, this would not be as easy as it sounds, for a variety of reasons. But the attitude that we should declare open season on violent crime is praiseworthy.
So, in my view, whether the cop could have somehow subdued the criminal is a moot point. He had a suspect resisting arrest, stealing a weapon, etc. He should be dead meat, and the officer should be given an award.
This entire matter is unrelated to racism or police brutality. It’s about a thug element in our society that exploits vocabulary to permit themselves the privilege to destroy, steal, and be violent.June 23, 2020 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #1875763
You are correct in the context of Law Enforcement. If these were civilians, (One armed civilian gets into a struggle with an unarmed one…… The unarmed one grabs the taser and runs…) I think he would be guilty. It is my (meaningless, it is only me) take, that when bad policing happens, the officers should be tried as civilians. What gets magnified in this story is, that there is a constant reevaluating in policing to guess if a suspect is dangerous. There is no clear way out for the cops or the suspects. It forces the suspect to balance his freedoms and his life. And it forces the cops to balance being too safe now versus being too deadly later.June 23, 2020 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #1875806
nOmesorah -“It is my (meaningless, it is only me) take, that when bad policing happens, the officers should be tried as civilians.”
Ok, you call this case “bad policing”, so do I, but for the opposite Reason.
So why should they be Tried as Civilians?!?June 23, 2020 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1875851
nOmesorah -“Who cares that he is sleeping in the drive-thru?”
The Establishment CARED. He was blocking their Drive-Thru business.
“get him out of the way and move on.”
The cop did that.
“What investigation will you do?”
To see if he is legally allowed to drive.
“Two officers couldn’t cuff him after him being compliant. If one officer would have tried to immediately book him (For what?) he would have gotten away for sure.”
He should have cuffed him right away. This is called Detaining S/o. If after the investigation, he’s free to go – if he didn’t Do something Illegal.
Cuffing right away, even with just one cop, would have worked, because he wasn’t very Alert YET!June 25, 2020 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #1876485
The cop did not move on. he decided to arrest him. A breathalizer is not an investigation. He took one. Tell him he cannot drive home, he should call someone to pick him up. You would think the police have more to do than deal with a drunk. Did you see how easily he schooled two officers while he was on his stomach with one hand holding the taser? One cop couldn’t have cuffed him in his sleep. Besides, could you cuff someone just to detain them?June 25, 2020 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1876525
N0m: I’m sure you do not mean to suggest that police around the country permit drunken drivers to get off the hook and go home after failing a breathalyzer.
As such, the Atlanta officers appropriately attempted to place him in handcuffs and arrest him. Thereafter the criminal brought about his own demise with his action attempting using a deadly weapon against a police officer.June 25, 2020 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #1876547
nOmesorah -“The cop did not move on.”
I was talking about that time. The perp moved the car. The perp should have drove off.
“A breathalizer is not an investigation”
It was part of the cop’s investigation.
“Tell him he cannot drive home, he should call someone to pick him up. You would think the police have more to do than deal with a drunk.”
TELL THE Georgia Legislators to Change the LAW!
Are you for Real – NOT to Arrest People for Drunk Driving?!?
“could you cuff someone just to detain them?”
Why don’t you watch some reruns of “Cops”?
You can’t watch any New ones, because they aren’t showing them.June 25, 2020 1:21 pm at 1:21 pm #1876555
Can’t vouch for it but heard they pursued arrest after finding out there was warrant out for himJune 25, 2020 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #1876559
Syag, apology accepted for your previous comment here.June 25, 2020 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm #1876562
None givenJune 25, 2020 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #1876567
Implicitly.June 25, 2020 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #1876573
Not at all. Spinning fairy tales and pretending they happened is wrong. Nothing in my post is changed woth this fact.June 25, 2020 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1876596
Once the person is safely off the road, (i. e. he was not pulled over) the Police can let him go. Happens all the time. In this case, they do not even know if he drove impaired. Besides for the cop telling him to move the car.
The Officers chose to arrest him, and they have to live with their choice. He chose to resist and he died for it.
A taser is not a deadly weapon. You wrote that above. When Police hold it, it is non-lethal. When used against Police, it is deadly. Well, I could sort of agree considering these two cops bumbled for the greater part of an hour over how to get a drunk out of the way. I wouldn’t let them touch my water gun.June 25, 2020 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1876612
It seems like you think the role of law enforcement is to nit pick every infraction until everyone is registered in the criminal databases. It follows, that the Police should be trained to arrest as many violators as possible, so they can appear before a judge. Therefore, cops should not waste their time gathering evidence and doing surveillance to arrest hardened and vicious criminals. They should be out on the streets finding people who would not resist, and cite them for blocking their own driveway or spitting in public. A lot of rookie cops agree with you. Every Police veteran that is not a union prop, despises you.
There is no requirement to arrest people who have driven drunk, and are sleeping it off in the car. Happens all the time. I trust the opinions of the CR participants more than what Hollywood thinks is good TV. I looked it up. There is no way you could arrest someone to see if they committed a crime. Gray area here. But if he would have woken him up and just cuffed him right away, the by standers would have started a riot on the spot. [Except that the Officer would have been thrown fifteen feet by Mr. Brooks. Did you really not notice how big he was?]June 25, 2020 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #1876615
I read somewhere that he was trying to complete parole. It follows there could not have been a warrant for his arrest……June 25, 2020 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #1876671
1. It is proper for the police to arrest someone for drunk driving. The Atlanta cops arresting that criminal was proper.
2. The Atlanta DA directly stated that a taser is considered to be a deadly weapon under Georgia law. Furthermore, the taser manufacturer describes a taser as “less lethal”, not “non lethal”, clearly indicating it can be lethal. Additionally, people have died from being tasered.
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