September 2, 2010 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #694854I-87Member
What exactly would be so terrible if two schools would merge. That might mean one administrator, one bus coordinator, one cook, 1/2 the support staff.
Don’t people get it? Every time we open a new school we’re not helping. We causing more problems. The charity givers are spread thin and the parents have to work harder.September 2, 2010 1:53 pm at 1:53 pm #694855
I had no problem posting it last year, nor repeating it this year. The data was provided by Rabbi Shapiro last year.
Either way, no one is sympathetic to an organization that spends without oversight. Not to worry though; they will pull thru. The junior teachers will get squeezed, but the senior ones will get their pay.
EDITEDSeptember 2, 2010 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #694856
And the new building? If they can’t fill it and pay for it, they can sell it to Bobov or Satmar tomorow. But that will never happen.
Mosdos don’t work under the same principles as the common folk do. When we run into money trouble, we cut corners. If they have a budget crunch, they squeeze the public (or Govt programs, which in essence is the public too.)September 2, 2010 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #694857
And as far as my $100.. not to worry. Its in my budget, otherwise I would’nt have pledged it. Unlike Mosdos, I can only spend what I really have.September 2, 2010 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #694858
Mod, I understand your editing but when people are posting blatant lies…….
“And the new building? If they can’t fill it and pay for it, they can sell it to Bobov or Satmar tomorow. But that will never happen.” Believe me that if they could sell it, they would. Its not such a simple matter to sell off a huge building, especially if people technically gave (any) money to build it.
And to generate some income, they have actually consolidated alot of their classes for this year and rented out rooms to Bobov.
Stop generalizing “mosdos”. Not so nice to be bashing when you arent really informed of the facts.September 2, 2010 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #694859
OK, so we’ll leave it at that. BYOB is doing what they can to cut overhead (payroll is less for 2010 than it was in ’09) , find new sources of revenue (renting out rooms to Bobov) and is ingeneral minding their Ps and Qs
Thanks WDIEB, I was afraid BYOB was in a crisis. Glad to see all is under control. No doubt, this years article by Rabbi Shapiro will substantiate your take on the state of the union. (Till then, I’ll run with the numbers he provided last summer. As of right now, those are FACTS and what you say are claims)September 2, 2010 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #694860KashaMember
What I find remarkable about all the tutition crisis, from both the parents and schools perspective, is yes their is a lot of financial pressure and all on parents, schools, and teachers, but at the end of the day no kid is without a frum school.
Even when you hear of schools closing down, or almost closing down, at the end of the day “somehow” they stay open. And if they wouldn’t, every child would be placed somewhere, at worst a week or so late. It never transpired otherwise (on a school wide basis) AFAIK.September 2, 2010 5:05 pm at 5:05 pm #694861
I actually know of a school that just closed down and 8 girls don’t have a place to go…And ALL schools have been coontacted and rabbanim were involved and all the schools said there is no room. So as much as i would like to agree with you kasha, some ppl stil don’t have a place to go.September 2, 2010 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #694862KashaMember
Did the schools open yet? Let us know a week or so after Yom Tov if anyone still doesn’t have a place.September 2, 2010 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm #694863
ill let you know… But dont count on the school reopening (major issues)September 2, 2010 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #694864
Not so remarkable. They DO have the money to stay afloat. Or they defer paying selected bills / salaries until they are in a more flush position.
When they talk “crisis” what they really mean is cash flow. When its plentiful, there is no problem. When there is the sign of a slowdown they yell and scream.
When the general public hears of a poor kallak or orphan, we open our hearts and wallets. When we hear of a school “whose very pillars are wobbling”, “we cannot open our doors this Sept”, we ect, ect”, all of a sudden the public takes a more critical look.
Are they struggling? Sure, if last year you got handed a check for $50,000 and this year its only $10,000 yes, you have a problem. But who told them to base a budget on the $50,000? That was a gift, not earnings (or in their terminology, tuition).
I was raised to only spend 80% of my earnings (10% for tzedakah, 10% gets banked). Mosdos spend 120% of what they net. So who’s fault is that?September 2, 2010 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #694865
Blinky – Is the school you refer to one of the mainstays of the community, with 200-300 kids? Or is it a “specialty school” with 30 kids that caters to a select group? Not to say its not a problem if its “only” 30 kids, but I’d still like to know the scope of the school that folded (or has a delayed opening)September 2, 2010 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #694866
BP Totty – Its frightening that you keep talking as if you know.
I will respectfully stop answering your pointless claims. Though I think you should do a great chesed and walk over to BYBP and offer your services. They would be lucky to have you.September 2, 2010 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #694867RSGParticipant
Perhaps the BY administration could have their bank, loan the parents the tuition at the beginning of the school year at a very special low interest rate. I don’t think there is a question as to whether the parents are responsible to pay their due.This should bo no different than any other business transaction that the koneh is this case the parents are buying a service from a mocher,the BY. If a parent would prefer not to buy this service they can home school their child and not go into contract with the Mocher. However, most parents would not want to persue that direction since the results in their child’s happiness, and education may turn out to ultimately be more costly than borrowing from a bank through the school at a very discounted rate. In essence, all these discussions are moot, since the koneh willingly purchased from the mocher their service, that places upon them a chiyuv de’Oraysa to pay, less they fall into the category of non payment of a bill that carries with it retribution from Hashem R”L.
After all is said and done, it is only Emunah and Bitachon that will bring our Geulah and extract us from all our difficulties personnal and finnancial. Does it not say, Bah Chabakuk Ve’he’emidah al achas, TZADIK BE’EMUNASO YICHYASeptember 2, 2010 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #694868frumimaof3Member
To all those who say that people should beg , borrow etc for the extremely high fees are ridiculous. This school trains the girls to marry men who learn and then expect them to turn around to pay such high fees???? While kollel is a wonderful endeavor , you can’t expect couples who have been in kollel or are in kollel to pay an average of 8-10 thousand dollars a year per child.
How about go back to the origins of Sarah Shnerir who first taught in her sewing room. Teach in livingrooms, basements etc etc.. Forget these fancy buildings and focus on education!!!!
There are so many ways for the schools to cut expenses..September 2, 2010 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #694869
BP Totty- its the second type of school that you mentioned- however they can fit into other schools, if they would let them.September 2, 2010 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #694870
Tachlis! Yada Yada yada yada…we have $500 for bais yakov, right? Confirm Rabbosia, and we’ll all send out our check with our word of honor! Then we can go back to figure out the velt problems in dah mikvah.September 2, 2010 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #694871
Sad to see them on the ropes, Blinky. I have more sympathy for a specialty school than I do for the powerhouses.
Things are a little nuts now before Yom Tov, so the “diplaced students” may not land a spot right now, but once the school year gets back to a regular 6 day scedule, I’m sure they’ll all find an appropriate home.
As far as the $ pledge, as soon as YNW posts where to send it, I’ll gladly do soSeptember 2, 2010 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #6948722qwertyParticipant
Moq, should we just send it in or should we somehow note it to go towards the original posters tuition?September 2, 2010 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #694873
BP Totty- i hope so too
p.s. Why can’t you just mail it to the school of your choice?September 2, 2010 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #694874
The idea was to have it go directly to a teacher / rebbi who is owed $. If it goes to the school, it gets swallowed without as much as a hiccupSeptember 3, 2010 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #694875arcParticipant
There are so many tuiton/school threads I wasn’t sure where to put this but this is as good as any. It’s not BP specific.
To me making sure that frum kids can go to school is a top priority more so than non frum and tzedakah funds should go there before chinese auctions or non frum kids.
I had the thought last night when reading a letter from a Rebbi whose kids arent being accepted into school because he cant pay tuition. Why cant he pay? he hasnt gotten paid in months.September 3, 2010 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm #694876SJSinNYCMember
I disagree arc. A frum kid should be able to remain frum even in tough situations. A kid who has no background needs to learn to be able to keep.
And that’s terrible about the Rebbi.September 3, 2010 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #694877arcParticipant
If they arent allowed into schools it will be hard for them to stay frum. It also wont make warm and fuzzy feelings about yiddishkeit.September 4, 2010 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #694878
First of all BP Totty You should only comment based on facts not just on outdated information. I happen to personally know the financial situation in BYBP. BYBP has never missed a payroll and charged way below average tuition. The recent ongoing financial crisis has hit BYBP very hard. As of now the tuition income is 75 percent less than the usual income at this crucial point of the year. Some Donors who have pledged to contribute to their desperately needed new building have disappointed and left BYBP saddled with a huge mortgage. Government aid has decreased in this financial crisis leaving BYBP with less money then ever before. BYBP have been forced to make cuts to their payroll and some programs in these hard times. BYBP launched a fundraising campaign last year that while some responded generously It did little to rescue BYBP from their crisis. In these difficult times The way we can help is making BYBP our #1 Tzedakah. The school that is currently or has taught your child should be your Tzedakah moneys first destination, Before contributing to some out of town Tzedakah or other organizations that are not as desperate for your money. Instead of criticizing and pointing fingers we can all contribute to this school that has been the pillar of our daughters chinuch for over 70 years. We can take a look at our values and priorities and make paying tuition our priority before we spend on any luxuries. We can also take some time to Thank Rabbi Shapiro for his tireless efforts upon the schools behalf.September 5, 2010 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #694879
Ok, Tachlis. Someone give me the address, let’s send it directly to Bais Yakov – with a note that it is to be used for salaries.
Address? And then confirm as you send it off.
A quick google yields the following:
Beth Jacob of Boro Park
1371 46th Street
Brooklyn, NY, 11219
Please verify first. -ModSeptember 5, 2010 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #694880
Dropped it in the mail. Hope more will follow.
Ksiva V’chasima Tova!September 5, 2010 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #694881
Lets keep the support coming, they need the money desperately!September 5, 2010 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #694882
And it’s off (well, not really. I need a stamp. I ran out of stamps. I wish I had more stamps. But I’ll find one.). $100 (with a memo ‘earmarked for teacher salaries’). Now we got – $300 in the mail. Nu chevra? Then we go back to figuring how to close there $4,000,000 defict. Now it’s $3,999,500.
Of course, another $500 would make it $3,999,000 – any takers? All of you who know how to figure it all out – come help!September 6, 2010 1:59 am at 1:59 am #694883nfgo3Member
Something puzzles me about all the discussions of the “tuition crisis”: As far as I know, few if any schools publish budgets or financial statements for the general public. How, then, can so many people have so much to say about the “tuition crisis” if there is no reliable information about the subject under discussion, i.e., the financial condition and operating costs of yeshivas and Jewish private schools? If there are budgets or financial statements available to the tuition-payers, can someone tell us where we can get that information?September 6, 2010 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #694884lesschumrasParticipant
Over a year ago their was a push my some yeshivas in the 5 towns to get access to scholl tax money since the local scholl board is controlled by frum Jews. It quickly stopped when it was pointed out that, once they took money like the public schools, they would be treated just like public schools funded by tax dollars:
1. Their budgets would be public and subject to voterapproval
2. Justas frum Jews could be elected to the school board, even
though their kids don’t attend the public schools, non-jews
and secukar Jews could run for seats on boards of yeshivas.September 6, 2010 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #694885
Lets keep the momentum going!!! It`s a couple of days before Rosh Hashana we all could use some more zechusim!! Did BP totty send his check yet to help ease the crisis BYBP is facing?September 7, 2010 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #694886
If I remember correctly, the idea (and the only one I would be interested in) was to send the $ to YNW and have them relay it to a teacher that is owed $.
If BYBP never missed a payroll, what’s the crisis?
EDITEDSeptember 7, 2010 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #694887
And for the record, not only to I not have /had girls in BYBP, my mrs did’nt go there either. So the BYBP problem is really not my concern (unless you consider the possibility that my DILs may come from there).
And no, this is NOT a community moisad. Its a “for profit” venture. Most years were wildly profitable, now they hit a rough spot. They’ll get over it.
That said, the teacher who is owed $ may not be able to wait it out as smoothly, so I (and several other CR members) were prepared to help out the rank-and-file. But to send $ to the office? Forget it. Thats what the parent body is there forSeptember 7, 2010 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #694895gavra_at_workParticipant
An actual teacher will put it to good use, maybe use it to help pay for Yom Tov expenses, etc.
How about we have a vote here in the CR which teacher they think deserves the money the most, and BP will send it to that teacher?
I recuse myself as I know nothing about Boro Park schools.
EDITEDSeptember 7, 2010 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #694899YW Moderator-80Member
it is not considered appropriate here to question the integrity of a fellow poster, (referring to posts that have since been deleted).September 7, 2010 6:43 pm at 6:43 pm #6949002qwertyParticipant
This thread started with someone saying that its difficult to pay tuition.
And Moq was the first person to mention about giving money and in his post he mentions:
“Poor OP is in pain; not a question of fair. Question of HELP. “????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???’.”
So my assumption was that we are giving money to help OP to pay her tuition.
(i still didnt send my check because i ran out of checks but im considering sending cash by mail to make sure i take care of it before R”H)September 7, 2010 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #694901Dr. PepperParticipant
I usually agree with your point of view (and find you humorous at times) but I’m going to share with you the following story.
A fundraiser was collecting for his yeshiva saying that they wanted to pay their staff in full before Yom Tov. One person whose door he knocked on asked how the yeshiva could possibly need money if they just spent $17,000,000 on their new building.
“Simple”, answered the fundraiser, “people will give money to have their names on a building, they won’t give money to have salaries paid”.
To an outsider, what may look like mismanaged funds, is actually money donated to be used towards a specific cause.September 7, 2010 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #694902
Your point is well taken, Doc. In fact, in rethinking my “let them sell the bldg” idea, it would probably violate halacha, as chances are the big donors made a specific condition that the money they donate go directly to the blgd and NOT into the general operating bugdet.
My take on this is very similar. The tution money that parents shell out should go to tuition (meaning the cost of educating their children). Of course, you need overhead to run a school, but the vast majority of what comes in from tuition should go towards teachers salaries. Long term projects (new bulidings, ect) should not be from the day-to-day income.
We don’t live our financial life that way; schools shouldn’t either.
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