September 8, 2008 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #588165
This is a plea to the http://www.theyeshivaworld.com moderator, and I beg all sensible people to add on to this topic. I implore YWN to please, PLEASE, remove that advertisement “WORRIED ABOUT BARACK OBAMA? YOU SHOULD BE…” from the YWN page. Although I happen to be a liberal, that is not my point. Even McCain-lovers should be outraged at this blatant act of political bias. An influential medium such as YWN should not be posting such banners. Please remove it as soon as possible. Thank you.
P.S. Every sane person who reads this topic, please voice outrage at this.September 8, 2008 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #623930jO jOMember
Why should he remove an advertisement from a PAID ADVERTISER?September 8, 2008 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #623931
This ad is rather tame.September 9, 2008 1:30 am at 1:30 am #623932mdlevineMember
Give Me a Break, do you also dictate to newspapers, radio and TV stations about what advertising they should accept?September 9, 2008 3:34 am at 3:34 am #623933
While I think the advertisement is baloney, misguided, and irresponsible, it is a paid advertisement, and it says as much on the banner. I wouldn’t hold it against YW…September 9, 2008 3:37 am at 3:37 am #623934TOHIGHSCHOOLGUYMember
I dont think that you are right …
Jo-Jo … don’t comment on the modern music page … people might take umbrage to your user nameSeptember 9, 2008 5:45 am at 5:45 am #623935
give me a break: you nuts. youre a typical lib who wants to squash liberties here in america. that is unless its the freedom to speak liberal ideas. that fact you are a liberal, is MY point. you are ashamed your party has been taken over by self righteous, self aggrandizing ( you see his acceptance speech, so much for global warming, he let off tons of carbon monoxide with those fire works) political hack socialists, that anyone saying it is considered, eeek, dare i say, a racist.
to ywn editors, as a conservative member of the group who paid for that advertisement, please leave the ad up. i ask every sane person to please click on that ad, and donate generously to the organization. it is the only conservative (political) jewish group, and it is recognized as such in the GOP.
and by the way, before you call me a racist for agreeing with the ad, the ad says nothing untrue, just look at carter. dumb peanut farmer. at least he ran a company, obama ran, NOTHING. he was a community organizer, which, btw for all that dont know, is something created by the infamous saul alinsky. read up on him, mr give me a break. see what you messiah is all about. read all about his communist grandparents who raised him, his communist father who abandoned him, his terrorist friends who launched his career, i dare you to explain all that to the SANE readers of this website!September 9, 2008 6:23 am at 6:23 am #623936
what chiutzpah,what audacity,the nerve of you liberals aka communists to request such. what happened to your free speech that you so much claim? .but that is only for youselves, not for honest upright upright individuals like horowitz, ali etc. yes,there is plenty to worry about that obamination and his american hating wife..remember what a malech chavlah did 60 years ago with his powerful oratory skills..and what is wrong with this blatant act of poltical bias!!!September 9, 2008 7:18 am at 7:18 am #623937RBS_gimmelParticipant
“Give Me a Break”, Barak Hussein Obama is a Muslim, Jew-hating African American. Why should we not be worried about him?September 9, 2008 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #623938tzippiMember
The ad seemed tame. But those jokes the other day…last time I checked we were, regrettably still in galus and have to watch what we say.September 9, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #623939Mayan_DvashParticipant
Give Me A Break:
It falls under the first amendment. YWN has the right to put it up as long as it is not incendiary etc. It is your right as a consumer to not visit YWN.September 9, 2008 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #623940
THI IS A BLATANT ACT OF NOTHING!YOU LIBERAL AKA COMMUNIST…WHEN LEVEL HEADED, YOISHER THINKING INTELECTUALS WANT TO SPEAK IN YOUR UNIVERSATIES EG HOROWITZ, ALI AND WARN US OF THE DANGER WE FACE FROM THE ISLAMIST AND OTHER CIVILIZATION DESTROYERS YOU SHOUT THEM DOWN THROW PIES IN THIER FACES ETC,AND YOU HAVE NERVE TO COME AND ASK TO CENCOR A LGIT PERFECTLY NORMAL AD, WHAT CHUTZPAH, WHAT NERVE. AND YES WE ARE FACING A GREAT DANGER WITH OBAMINATION..NEVER HEARD OF HIM, NO EXPIRIENCE, FLIP FOLPING FROM ONE ISSUE TO OTHER ,AMERICAN HATEING WIFE, PLANTS LADIES ON CAMPGIN TRAIL TO SWOON AND FAINT TO IMPRESS, AHD AMERICAN HATING COMMUNISTS AS HIS MENTORS ALL HIS LIFE ETC, ETC,AND YOU LIBERAL COMMMUNISTS WANT US TO IGNORE THIS ..70 YEARS AGO THE WORLD ALSO HAD A MALECH HAMASHCHIS WHO BLINDED EVERYONE WITH ORATORY SKILLS. WE DONT NEED MORE PROOF THAN ALL OUR ENEMIES AND ENEMIES OF CIVILIZATION ARE ROOTING FOR HIM1September 9, 2008 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #623941gavra_at_workParticipant
Agreed with JoJo, it would be a violation of free speach just to take it off due to a political view. I did not see the ad, but as long as it did not contain any hate speach, the advertiser could be able to sue YWN, which we all agree would be a bad thing
(perhaps cantor/esq or other lawyer could comment from a law perspective)September 9, 2008 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #623942
I think cantoresq is still busy singing after yesterday’s trial.September 9, 2008 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #623943
TO ILLINI07..THE AD IS VERY RESPONSIBLE AND GUIDED HITS BULLS EYE AND TO THE POINT..September 9, 2008 8:42 pm at 8:42 pm #623944WolfishMusingsParticipant
Please… stop shouting. It hurts the eyes and is difficult to read.
The WolfSeptember 9, 2008 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #623945Will HillParticipant
By Order of illini07! By Order of illini07!
You naughty boys are to refrain from referring to the HIGHLY ESTEEMED and GREATLY EXPERIENCED Barack Hussein Obama using his middle name! Nor is anyone to dare refer to his LOVING Pastor the Revered Jerimiah Wright or any other shady characters PREVIOUSLY associated with the former community-organizer of the Great State of Illinois!
Such talk is incendiary! Racist! Unproductive! Naughty! Fear-mongering! And of course illegal! (And besides, it might cost him the election!)September 10, 2008 12:07 am at 12:07 am #623946
TO WOLFMUSINGS ..WHY DONT YOU USE EAR PLUGS?September 10, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am #623947
illini07: you said “While I think the advertisement is baloney, misguided, and irresponsible, it is a paid advertisement, and it says as much on the banner. I wouldn’t hold it against YW… “
now lets dissect this.
the ad asks, “concerned about barack obama?” nothing baloney here,
next, the answer. ” you should be”. sorry that this bothers you. its a partisan ad, so they are pushing partisan questions. it is not misguided anymore then asking if you are worried about mccain.
next, “history has shown that a naive and weak foreign policy has resulted in tragic outcomes for the jewish people….” this is a very true statement, regardless of you being a democrat or republican. foreign policy, when weak, is not good for jews in israel. now does this apply to obama. lets see. this is a man who thinks iran is not a threat, and wants to invade pakistan, an ally of the US. hes at best knowledgeable in world affairs, at worst, he is a complete idiot, who is in way over his head. either way, his foreign policy skills are pathetic. do you know that one of his official middle east advisers is an actor by the name of Geirge Clooney. now for those who dont know who he is, he is a really good actor. very famous. and very anti israel. he is what is called an arabist, similar to the ones who staff the middle east desks at the state dept. he believes the entire isarel should be an arab state. this is barack millhouse obamas middle east adviser. and you say this is shenanigans. well i say shenanigans on you!September 10, 2008 12:29 am at 12:29 am #623948Itzik_sMember
Dear Mr YWN Editor:
We, the undersigned, great friends of the Jewish people throughout the world, combined with true to the Torah rabbis and sages, are in favor from you to remove the ad against Barack Hussein Obama:
-Yisroel Ber Beck
-Yisroel Dovid Weiss
-Moshe Aryeh FriedmanSeptember 10, 2008 2:09 am at 2:09 am #623949
you are a communist believer, following the dictates of some of the worst leaders in history- from Stalin to Hitler. By stopping free speech (and Obama’s campaign can pay for an ad if they even cared about the Jews, you are sumbitting yourself to have a worse America for our children. Be a liberal like you say you are and be liberal minded to other ideas… maybe you would learn something…like our constitution…
Maybe you shouldnt just vote the party line and try something else- like listening to what the candidates have to say on important issues!September 10, 2008 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #623950
“mdlevine”: If you ever watch television, you’ll know that stations broadcast advertisements from BOTH political parties, not just one.
“kitzur_dot_net”: Barack H. Obama is a Muslim? Why would he have a pastor if he was Muslim?
“havesomeseichel”, in what way am I “following Stalin and Hitler”? [By the way, my birthday is the 20th of April. I share that birthday with Adolf Hitler.]
So everyone should know, even though it is in accordance with the First Amendment (Commandment?), it is still a chillul haShem to post the ad.
And so you should know, I care very much about our environment, and I sincerely hope the ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge) is NOT drilled.
“jent1150”, liberalism is the opposite of communism. And I am a proud “bleedin’-heart” liberal.September 11, 2008 12:44 am at 12:44 am #623951
Liberalism =/= Communism. Got that, McCarthy?
When did I ever say it was racist? But you’re right – I do think that the WAY IN WHICH his middle name is thrown around here is disingenuous, dishonest, and reeks of fear-mongering. If you didn’t think it would have the effect of making people afraid that he is Muslim or has terrorist tendencies, you wouldn’t use it – plain and simple. Until you can provide another reason for using it (and don’t give me baloney about how you’re just calling him by his full name – you don’t do that for anyone else), that is EXACTLY what I think.
Kitzur dot net:
Perhaps you should stay home on election day. If you can’t be bothered to educate yourself, please don’t burden us with the possibility of decisions being made based on your ignorance.
Perhaps I misworded my statement – I think it’s wrong, not irresponsible.
Your point on foreign policy is valid political discourse, but I don’t want to write a lengthy screed at this point. All I’ll say is that his Israel voting record is impeccable. On top of it, I’m voting for what’s best for this country, not what’s best for Israel. To the extent that those two overlap, that’s great. Foreign policy is much larger than Israel. The current administration has done nothing but alienate us from most of the world. Not only that, but McCain doesn’t have all that much foreign policy experience under his belt either.September 11, 2008 2:02 am at 2:02 am #623953
give me a break..who made you expert on chilil hashem. you dont seem to know the meaning at all. how does chilil hashem come here ? you say ‘….station broadcast from both parties..’ so, did the other try to give ad here?about what you say care …envoiorment ..’ hogwash. now lets get to important matters..can you give some examples what you advocate as a’bleeding heart liberal’ but not kneged hatorah’September 11, 2008 2:22 am at 2:22 am #623954
give me a break, oprah for one only had obama on her show. also, im sure if obama wanted to pay money to put a ad on this site, they would take it. the democrats, and obama specifically, have an abysmal record with things important to orthodox jews. taxes, schooling, security, israel, all things the left has gotten wrong since ww1. fdr was had ww2 forced down his throat. jfk was a lightwieght according to the russians, leading to the bay of pigs. carter, well he was pathetic all around, and clinton: 9-11!September 11, 2008 2:26 am at 2:26 am #623955
Give me a break- you follow those communist leaders by attempting to retract one of the most basic human rights (along with the second amendment)- the freedom to speak one’s mind. After these two leaders forbid anyone to contradict what they said, they were able to control their respective countries. First stop free speech then create dictatorships. Obviously the first amendment is important- otherwise, why would the founding fathers place it at the begining of the document that makes our country stand out from the rest? It is placed right next to freedom to practice your own religeon. Do you think that is important?
Why is it a chillul hashem? when making conclusions like that, write at least one plausible explanation.
About drilling ANWR- look into the research. Do you want to be supporting the terrorists in the Middle East forever in their path of destruction? Tomorrow is 9/11- do you want to support that? And how do you know that it wont help the animals there? The warmth of one of the pipes in Alaska actually helped a type of deer in their reproduction. Look into it, and not on some wacko-liberal site.September 11, 2008 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #623956
“jent1150”: Not everything that’s wrong is a chillul haShem. But not everything that’s RIGHT isn’t a chillul haShem. What if Obama comes to YWN and sees that they have an ad against him (PAID FOR BY JEWS!) only, and every article and poster seems to bash him and his policies? What do you think he’ll feel for us “holier-than-thou”s then? What if (OH, I CAN’T FATHOM THE HORROR!) he… becomes… PRESIDENT?
What do you mean by “hogwash” when referring to my love of the natural world?
How am I a liberal, you ask? Well, I’m pro-choice, pro-gay rights, etc. Not for Jews, but for everyone else. And yes, I’m Jewish.
“havesomeseichel”, I’d like to hear where you get your mishugaas about the reproduction in Alaskan deer.September 11, 2008 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #623957squeakParticipant
She no doubt picked up the “mishugaas” about the Alaskan pipeline benefitting animals from the same place that every person who “thinks for themselves” does. From a guy who thinks with half his brain tied behind his back. If only we could be sure that his drug habits didn’t affect BOTH halves.September 11, 2008 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #623959tzippiMember
re Mariner: Oprah didn’t have Hillary Clinton, either, so strongly is she pro-Obama. But she is under no obligation to give the candidates equal time. OTOH, if her viewers and advertisers don’t like it, they can let her know but she has enough money that I doubt it would really matter.September 11, 2008 10:01 pm at 10:01 pm #623963
By the way, Obama was raised by his mother, and the middle name “Hussein” was his father’s name, i.e., Obama is Barack Hussein Obama II and his father was Barack Hussein Obama Sr. So he is NOT Muslim. I can’t guarantee the veracity of this statement, because it’s from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org), which has instances of “wikivandalism” occasionally. OBAMA-BIDEN 2008! (Or McCain-Palin 2008. It’s about time YWN, Yated, and HaModia shows us a picture of the person who might be our VP for the next 4-8 years. It’s NOT assur.)September 11, 2008 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #623964
Give Me a Break,
Why don’t you call the Gedolim on the phone and demand they allow the papers to put women’s pictures in it? After all, YOU say its appropriate, so who are the Gedolim to say otherwise?September 11, 2008 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #623965
Is there a way to add an image to a post?September 11, 2008 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #623966
to joseph ..a person who has telvision and is angeshtopped mit di goyish tumah is not morah hoirueh enough to pasken that pictures of nashim in newspapers is not ausur?! dont insult her..September 11, 2008 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #623967
to give me abreak..and if we’d have ads anti McCAIN YOU WOULDNT BE AFRAID..WHY BECAUSE THATS THE DIFF. BET WEEN LIBERAL COMMUNIST.AND ..BY THE WAY HEAR THE LATEST JOKE.. NOW IS ‘EIS RATZIN’, MCCAIN -PALIN (MEKEN- POYLEN-FOR THOSE WHO DIDNT GET IT ,LIKE ME, THE FIRST TIME)September 11, 2008 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #623968
TO ILLINI07 THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH MCARTYH(DONT EXCUSE MAH’ SPELIN’) HE WAS A REAL AMERICAN PARTRIOT UNLIKE YOUR OBAMINATION AND HIS AM.HATING WIFE AND PASTOR WRONG,ETC. AND NOTHING WAS DBUNKED THAT YOU KEEP ON HARPING THAT IT WAS DEBUNKED, MR LEFTIST. IT WAS THE LEFTIST COMMUNIST THAT STARTED THIS MCARTHYISM TO SCARE ANYBODY THAT POINTS OUT THE TRUTH..ME THINKS ANN COUTLER WROTE BOOK ABOUT THAT SUB. TO PROOVE THIS POINT.AND THIS IS PART OF THE LEFTIST COMMUNIST STEALTH WAR LIKE THIS ‘GIVE ME A BREAK’ CHARACHTER, PLEADING , YOU HEAR PLEADING THE AD SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF. THERE IS NOTHING OFFENSIF,VULGAR,JUST REGULAR NICE LANGAUGE SAYING THE TRUTH AND IF ITS NOT TRUE THE COMMUNIST, I MEAN DEMOCRATIC, PARTY IS MUCH WORSE AND THEN ‘GIVE ME A BREAK’ HAS THE CHUTZPAH TO SAY WORRIED ABOUT THE (NON)CHILIL HASHEM.BY THE WAY TO HAVE A TELEVSION IS A CHULIL HASHEM..TO DO ANYTHING THAT IS ASSUR IS CHILIL HASHEM , ‘GIVE ME BREAK’.. ,AND IF THE REAL KIND OF CHILIL HASHEM DOESNT BOTHER YOU DONT FAKE CHILIL HASHEM HERE.September 12, 2008 12:05 am at 12:05 am #623969
“jent1150”: If in your comment to the Great and Holy HaRav HaGaon Joseph shlit”a you were referring to me, I’m not a “her.” Don’t make assumptions about me.
P.S. Is there any way to add a photo to a post?September 12, 2008 12:15 am at 12:15 am #623970
1) Yes, there was plenty wrong with McCarthy. Do you know ANY history at all?
2) The rest of your post is nonsensical, and I don’t argue with people who wish to remain ignorant and don’t educate themselves. Nor will I continue to respond when you try to bait me with idiocy and ad-hominems.
Good day sir. Refuah Shelemah.September 12, 2008 12:46 am at 12:46 am #623972Will HillParticipant
To the abortionist toeiva loving Give Me a Break,
PS No images for you. Who knows what tarfus you’d include.September 12, 2008 3:15 am at 3:15 am #623976
Dont go making a bruhaha here… Its science… and I bet you would say that Gore invented the internet and is the most qualified person to speak about Global warming…. but science really shows that the melting of the ice caps will cause a global cooling as the cold water will chill the Earth’s water and we might go into a mini-ice age that happens every several centuries (a mini ice age happened during the middle ages)Study your history!
Obama went once to Iraq, barely has gone to Israel (except when he can have his trail of camera crews… He has less experience then Palin does!!!!!!!!
Please educate yourselves before making any audacious comments. and I will not translate that for you… I learned those words in elementary school and you should know them… unless you really do have the mind of a seventh grader… which could explain a lot…infintile..September 12, 2008 11:16 am at 11:16 am #623977
to illini07..you’ve said that few times before (wont respond) wish you’d keep your words for once..as you response is usually no resposeSeptember 12, 2008 11:25 am at 11:25 am #623978
Just for the record, Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet; he claimed (correctly) to have worked on the legislation that funded the formation of the internet as we know it today.
As a side point, I can’t understand why Ann Coulter is so popular and widely-quoted by frum Jews, even in publications such as the Yated; there are so many conservative columnists who express themselves in a more refined way that there’s no need to resort to this Father Coughlin wanna-be.September 12, 2008 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm #623979Abov Posters embaress MEasAjewParticipant
Please leave the ad up!!! Hussein can not be president!!!September 12, 2008 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #623980
I agree with you about that menuvel Coulter. There are far wiser, and better, conservatives to quote if necessary.September 12, 2008 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm #623982
just happened to mention from coultler, but read it plenty history books (not written by communist leaning..)’historical truths'(eh, cantor)..all depends who wrote those historical truthsSeptember 12, 2008 6:51 pm at 6:51 pm #623983
give ma brake..RE:your non-explanation explanation of how chilil hashenm pertains here makes as much sense as your request to take off this perfectly normal full of sense ad.September 12, 2008 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #623984
Wow, jent actually agreed with me. I’m speechless.September 14, 2008 2:23 am at 2:23 am #623985
Can someone please explain to the general public how this is a chilul Hashem? If anything, it could be a kiddush Hashem for standing up for what can be the political choice to save Yidishkeit in America and around the world. Obama is pro-choice, pro-toeiva marriages, not deliberatly pro-israel like Palin is….but then he can change all of his opinions once he starts speaking to another crowd of people… He does do that a lot doesnt he? How do we know what he really stands for? How can we know what he will fo if (chas vashalom) he gets elected to office?
oh, and has anyone noticed how no one on the left is speaking about the results from Iraq? Maybe its because the troop surge ACTUALLY WORKED????? oops! I wasnt suppossed to say that, now was I?September 14, 2008 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #623989charliehallParticipant
For the record, Obama opposes same sex marriage. And he has a detailed position paper on Israel on his official campaign site, something McCain still does not have.
And I, too, am puzzled by the attraction of frum Jews for Ann Coulter. She is a model of bad midot.September 14, 2008 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #623990
I just started a new thread and it should be up soon. It’s called “Why not Obama?” Please post on it, as well as on this thread.
– Give Me a BreakSeptember 14, 2008 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #623991
Sometimes I think that when it comes to certain conservative personalities I think some frum people feel that if “the liberals” hate him/her so much he/she must be ok.
Personally I lost a lot of respect for Rush Limbaugh after he referred to Chelsea Clinton as the “White House dog” when she was 12 years old.
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