December 15, 2010 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #593509YEEDLE FROM LONODNMember
What does it actually mean to be “Frum”?
Does it mean to keep Shabbas or maybe it means going to Shul daily?
People use it too often and dont even know what it means
Please explain me what it meansDecember 15, 2010 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #718406yitayningwutParticipant
Depends on who is using the term, and in what context…December 15, 2010 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #718407
It is a made up word and can mean whatever you want it to mean.December 15, 2010 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #718408mikehall12382Member
There are so many levels of “frumness” but at the very least in order to be called Frum you must be Shommer Shabbos and keep kosher, the rest as they say is all in the details….December 15, 2010 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #718409Feif UnParticipant
I’ve heard from many Rabbonim that to be considered frum a person needs to be an honest person, and keep Shabbos, Kosher, and Taharas Hamishpacha.December 15, 2010 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm #718410
Do you understand the opposite term better – to be frei?December 15, 2010 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #718411eclipseMember
Keeping the Torah,to the best of your ability,based on all that your psrents and teachers have taught you,or what you have learned on your own.December 15, 2010 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #718412YEEDLE FROM LONODNMember
That is the best definition given so far
spot on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!December 15, 2010 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #718413
What is meant by a “Frum Goy”.
And it is common usage.December 15, 2010 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #718414eclipseMember
YFL:Thank you,sir.December 15, 2010 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #718415
it means a goy who relates to his religion, lhavdil, in a parallel manner to which a frum Jew relates to hisDecember 15, 2010 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #718416Trying to be helpfulMember
This will be a “mind blower”
One of the Belzer Rebbes abhorred “Frunmies” who displayed their “Frumkeit” in our language “Holier than thou”
He said ???? stands for ???? ????? ??????? ?????
Much ????? very little ?????
Frum Goy is common usage ?? It might be a Goy who is very strict
about ???? ????? ???? ???? ?????December 15, 2010 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #718417smile66Member
there’s somethig cute i heard about the word “frum”
F anatically Religious
U (you – in the middle there)
M odernDecember 15, 2010 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #718418
So the word “frum” has nothing to do with “Torah” per say.
Just like someone can be a “frum” Catholic or Unitarian, they can be a “frum” Reform Jew.December 15, 2010 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #718419
no gavra i said exactly the opposite of that
frum refers to Jews
when applied to goyim it is used (mostly tongue in cheek) as a parallel to the meaning which applies to Jews and really only to JewsDecember 15, 2010 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #718420PosterMember
i think frum means shomer shabbosDecember 15, 2010 5:24 pm at 5:24 pm #718421
and note additionally gavra
nowhere did i mention or imply anything about what the word “frum” means. this was done deliberately.
i only explained that whatever it means the meaning is sometimes applied as a parallel in describing non-Jewish behavior.
are you a lawyer?
i knew as soon as i saw your first post you were expecting a certain answer to which you planned on springing your logic trap.December 15, 2010 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #718423
Man you are quick 🙂
I don’t divulge what I do (other than work :-), but everyone who has learned Gemora for real is a natural Lawyer. It comes with the job.December 15, 2010 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #718424
and yes you could i suppose use the word to describe anyone, a mafia chief, a murderer, a reform person, a policeman. but again it would merely be to describe a mode of behavior which is parallel to a frum Jew, which is the only place the word is really used in its basic sense.December 15, 2010 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #718425yitayningwutParticipant
You could probably translate frum as ‘religious’. It pretty much has the same ambiguity.December 15, 2010 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #718426
So from the parallelness (is that even a word?) we can figure out what the original means, no?December 15, 2010 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #718427
that would be one way i suppose, probably not the best, but might be helpful by providing a different perspective.
there probably is no perfect answer as, like most words (but even more so), it is used differently by different people.December 15, 2010 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #718428charliehallParticipant
If you are shomer Shabat and have a kosher home, you are part of the orthodox community.December 15, 2010 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm #718429popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I can’t think of any definition.
If someone keeps shabbos and kashrus, but not any other mitzva, is that frum?
If someone keeps shabbos, kashrus, nidda, yomtov, and wears teffilin; but, doesn’t daven, doesnt fast on any fast, doesn’t wear tzitzis, doesn’t have a bris, is married to a goy, steals from the government, steals from business partners, denies G-d, and doesnt keep any other mitzva, is that frum.
My point is, there is no list you can give which is all inclusive of what you need to do, and is all exclusive of things which can make you “frum” even if you don’t do all those things.December 15, 2010 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #718430
Frum is a relative word. Just like there is no proper temp for hot or cold – Its all relative to the extreme.December 15, 2010 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #718431charliehallParticipant
“If someone keeps shabbos and kashrus, but not any other mitzva, is that frum?”
No. But that person is a part of the orthodox community because he can host people in his home, be counted for a minyan, serve as a witness, etc.December 15, 2010 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #718432popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I wasn’t trying to disagree with you.
I am saying that there is really no definition that will be definite enough to use.
Also, I’m pretty sure that person could not serve as a witness, nor host people.December 15, 2010 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #718433
sort of real-brisker
but the word frum may have several madreygas but no one would use frum meaning non-shomer shabbos.
then again frum can sometimes mean finishing sefer tehillim every day.December 15, 2010 8:59 pm at 8:59 pm #718434pumperMember
U in the middle
Fanatically Religious on one side of you
and Modern on the other sideDecember 15, 2010 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #718435
To quote my rebbi: Anyone to the right of me is a frummak, anyone to the left of me is a shaygetz. I am perfect.December 15, 2010 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #718436
blueprints- “but no one used the word frum meaning non shomer shabbos” Correct, and no one used the word cold when its 100 degrees outside! Get the point?December 15, 2010 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #718437
never heard that one before
what does it mean?December 15, 2010 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #718438aries2756Participant
IMHO, Frum means shomer Torah u’MitzvosDecember 16, 2010 3:17 am at 3:17 am #718439
?????? is a pejorative word for someone who is extremely frum, sometimes refers to someone who is like that superficially, but has bad middos. Similar words in “der shprach” include: greasy, farfrumpt, ????? (not actually sure how to spell that one. never heard anyone under 60 use it.)December 16, 2010 3:24 am at 3:24 am #718440Smile E. FaceMember
[frum | frim]), from the German fromm, meaning “” or “pious”, is a Yiddish word meaning committed to be observant of the 613 Mitzvot, or Jewish commandments, specifically of Orthodox Judaism. …
The word “frum” can have other specific meanings depending on the context in which it is used. Often the terms frum and frei indicate one’s social associations as much as his/her actual religious commitment.
taken from wikipedia…:) feel free to google as wellDecember 16, 2010 3:39 am at 3:39 am #718441Trying my bestMember
Frummie or frumak is a badge of honor worn by those who unabashedly try to follow Kol HaTorah Kulah to the best of their abilities, when it irks the less observant and they yell these names at the more observant. Those of us bestowed by this term, proudly put it on our resume.December 16, 2010 3:59 am at 3:59 am #718442oomisParticipant
Even a Conservative Jew can be “frum” in the sense that he adheres to his religious beliefs. In my understanding, one is frum if he is shomer shabbos, kashrus, and taharas mishpocha/morality. if he is following those mitzvos, chances are, he is following the others, too.December 17, 2010 12:55 am at 12:55 am #718444
TMB: Those of us who are interested in God and His Torah rather than your holier than thou theatrics don’t “yell names at the more observant.” We laugh quietly behind our hands at your performance.
Mods, please don’t delete it this time.December 17, 2010 6:14 am at 6:14 am #718445Trying my bestMember
ItchySrulik: Those of us who are interested in Hashem and His Torah rather than your what can I get away with today theatrics, don’t take seriously those who laugh at our observance. We smile broadly with the knowledge of our Torah-true conduct.December 18, 2010 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #718446
ok ok you can all cease now I know what a frummak is!
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