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March 16, 2016 1:06 am at 1:06 am #617417zk789Member
how do you know your minhag?March 16, 2016 1:49 am at 1:49 am #1142619theprof1Participant
Its called mesora. i bh had a father. and he had mesora. and i belong to a chasidic sect for generations. and we all know our customs and traditions.March 16, 2016 1:51 am at 1:51 am #1142620CopyMachineParticipant
What’s a beksihe?
(Bekeshe maybe?)March 16, 2016 8:11 am at 8:11 am #1142621takahmamashParticipant
Moshe Rabbeinu did not wear a bekeshe or a streimel, therefore I do not wear one either.March 16, 2016 8:51 am at 8:51 am #1142622RoiRMember
Copymachine, there are many ways to write it: bekishe, bekeshe, bekasha etc…March 16, 2016 11:26 am at 11:26 am #1142623lakewoodloserMember
This so called “minhag” and “Mesorah” of Bekitches is absurd and ludicrous. It actually originated from the goyim and ‘poritz’es. So next time you start feeling “Hielig” when you don your fancy silk cloak, think again.March 16, 2016 11:49 am at 11:49 am #1142624akupermaParticipant
Moshe rabbeinu probably did not wear pants or shoes with laces. It is highly unlikely he used a zipper or velcro. He also wore only natural fabrics (no polyester, etc.). It is also unlikely he ever worse warm or waterproof clothing.
Fashion has many elements, including family tradition (and even if not by design, most people imitate their parents) – but we are hardly trying to be biblical reinactors.March 16, 2016 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #1142625CopyMachineParticipant
The minhag really goes according to two things: your father or your chasidus.
Chabad, for instance, wears a modified bekeshe with one of the corners rounded (at the back split). It also appears slightly different from the other mainstream chasiduses’ bekeshes. Chabad calls it a kapote.
The rest of chasidus, usually wears a regular “suit”, consisting either of a short jacket or a long bekeshe, which they can then go and choose according to the pattern that they like.
Just walk into a G&G or G&B in Brooklyn/Monsey, and they’ll help you find whatever you’d like. There are so many patterns to choose from, and they’d be able to offer guidance. But if you are REALLY looking to put on a bekeshe, think twice, and ask your Rav before jumping.March 16, 2016 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #1142626simcha613Participant
Akuperma- What I assume takah’s question is, is that if Moshe Rabeinu didn’t wear it, why is there significance to it? Obviously there is such thing as styles, the current style are pants and shoes with laces as you so eloquently put it. Maybe a button down shirt or even a polo shirt. But the bekeshe was not Moshe Rabeinu’s style nor our current style. It was the style in Europe some hundreds of years ago (by both Jews and non-Jews). Why was that particular Goyish style chosen as the uniform of the Jews (for those Jews that wear it) for all time?March 16, 2016 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #1142627akupermaParticipant
A beckishe (a.k.a. a “frock) is a style. It’s popular with a lot of frum Jews since we tend to follow our own “sense of fashion” and aren’t influenced by what the goyim wear, at least not all that much. The region modern Orthodox stopped wearing long coats (of various sizes) was that King George V stopped wearing them in public (about 90 years ago), and that set the fashion for the modern world – almost immediately “short jackets” were “in” and long jackets were “out” for weekday and “Shabbos/Sunday/Holiday” dress. Something similar happened to hats about 50 years ago (by then the American president set fashion standards).
Since we don’t give a hoot what the goyim are wearing, we never get the message that long jackets were “out”, though a lot of the more modern have picked up on over the last 90 years.March 16, 2016 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #1142628apushatayidParticipant
“how do you know your minhag?”
I look at my father.March 16, 2016 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #1142629simcha613Participant
Akuperma- But at one point the Bekisha was “in” style and the Jews decided to be “in” style as opposed to what I assume previous generations wore. Except this time when the Bekisha went out of style, it was chosen as the de facto uniform. Why did we give a hoot what the Goyim were wearing when they wore a bekisha and then decided to stop? Why was the bekisha chosen from all the other fashions throughout history?
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