December 5, 2008 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #588813
I’m sure there are a lot of people from the Five Towns and Far Rockaway who are members of Yeshiva World. What do you like about living there. Maybe the six pizza shops in 4 blocks? (if YWM allows even some problems). What else:December 5, 2008 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #671997whatshaichesMember
shor yoshuv and sushi metsuyan!!December 5, 2008 6:53 pm at 6:53 pm #671998dont have internetMember
lol its 3 pizza stores in 1 block lolDecember 5, 2008 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #671999
Lawrence HardwareDecember 5, 2008 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #672000
It’s an eclectic neighborhood. All types of frum Jews in one place.December 6, 2008 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm #672001abcdParticipant
What is this? A modified version of the “Where do you live?” thread?December 7, 2008 12:40 am at 12:40 am #672002
maybe we just KNOW people who live there….December 9, 2008 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm #672003
Azi, I think Lawrence’s nickname is Larry. You should call it Larry’s hardware.December 9, 2008 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #672004notpashutMember
west lawrenceDecember 9, 2008 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm #672005
West Larry?December 9, 2008 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #672006
His name is actualy Ezi so it’s Ezi’s Hardware.December 10, 2008 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #672007
I think it is Azi, so it’s Azi’s hardware.December 10, 2008 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #672008myshadowMember
I was just in Far Rockaway for shbs and was so impressed!!!! Everyone was so nice and welcoming they all said good shbs (something I never see in my hometown)!!!
Thanx so much all u far rkwy ppl for being such gracious hosts!!! can’t wait till next time!!December 10, 2008 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #672009
I have often heard that about Far Rockaway, Myshadow. I once read that in a community which shall remain nameless, people are very makpid NOT to respond Good Shabbos. I find that appalling, and I did not believe that it was true until I experienced it. where I live, my husband and children, and I are very quick to say good shabbos to everyone we meet, and even good morning to non-Jews who watch us as we pass by. I have never failed to ahve someone say it back to me with a smile.December 11, 2008 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm #672011myshadowMember
I agree oomis, it happens all the time I say g’shbs and the person looks at me like do I know you.
I was wondering though, in part of the niceness of far rkwy was that Everyone said good shabbos including the men. Is that the norm?January 18, 2009 6:48 am at 6:48 am #672013ovg613Member
where are you from myshadow? brooklyn?
yes men say good shabbos too, i think the more important question would be why should men Not say it, they have just as much responsibility to be decent humans w ahavas yisroelJanuary 19, 2009 12:58 am at 12:58 am #672014
I was wondering though, in part of the niceness of far rkwy was that Everyone said good shabbos including the men. Is that the norm?
It is my understanding that in any neighborhood you will find men who will be makdim b’sholom, but not initiate the hello with a female. They will, however, respond if she says Good Shabbos first. I just say GS, and I don’t stand on ceremony.January 19, 2009 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #672025lesschumrasParticipant
Far Rockaway is next to, but is not in the Five Towns ( Woodmere, Cedarhurst, Hewlett,Lawrence, Inwood ). West Lawrence doen’t exist on any maps. It was a name that was made up for the section of Far Rockaway closest to the border with the 5 Towns
to distinguish it from the rest of FR which at the time was crime-ridden and run down.
FR is in Queens and the 5 Towns are in Nassau County.January 19, 2009 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #672026KeepinEntertainedMember
there is really nothing wrong with men responding (or even initiating) a good shabbos…its simply proper courtesy and it really bothers me when men completely ignore a girl who says g’shabb to them. all they havta do is reply a stam g’shabb and cont walking…noones asking to have a whole shmooze with you, just be polite!January 19, 2009 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm #672027
I AM WAITING FOR JOSEPH’S & SQUEAK’S OPINION ON THE MATTER KEEPINENTERTAINED HAS DISCUSSEDJanuary 19, 2009 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #672028beaconParticipant
Agreed, KeepinEntertained. No need to snub anyone..January 19, 2009 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #672029
For what it’s worth, she is absolutely right as far as I’m concerned.January 20, 2009 12:04 am at 12:04 am #672031yrosMember
Brooklyn is the best place to live by far everything is near youJanuary 20, 2009 12:36 am at 12:36 am #672032
Ask your LOR.
Many LOR’s take great exception to KeepenEntertained’s opinion.January 20, 2009 2:18 am at 2:18 am #672033
Why dont you just let people make their own decisions on things that are not a dvar halacha. If a cup of milk spills into your chicken soup ask your LOR. To be a civilized person, and nice and polite to all you respone when someone greets you.January 20, 2009 4:24 am at 4:24 am #672034
azi, you are mistaken.January 20, 2009 4:50 am at 4:50 am #672035
i think the question is, why is the girl greeting the man?
Sometimes it is instinctive to simply say GS to ANYONE who walks by, man or woman. In the great scheme of things, is it really SO terrible to be makdim b’sholom?January 20, 2009 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #672036
ames, that has nothing to do with it 🙂January 20, 2009 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #672037SJSinNYCMember
I grew up in a community where everyone said good shabbos to each other. Granted, its a MO community so the men have no trouble saying good shabbos to women and vice versa. As more charedi people moved into the neighborhood, they were the odd ones out who would not say good shabbos. It can sometimes be rather embarrasing if you say GS to someone and they obviously don’t answer back.
Unfortunately, most of the neighborhood had changed to unfriendly and many people did not adopt the “minhag hamakom” to be courteous to their neighbors. Now, very few people say good shabbos to each other, except for people from one shul who still say good shabbos to everyone. Its a shame.January 20, 2009 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #672038
“you know what, i don’t think i would like it if a random girl on the street greeted my husband”
There are greetings and then there are GREETINGS. A simple good Shabbos, should not be out of line for anyone, but if anybody feels offended, they need not look up, but they can nod their head or mutter good shabbos in return, just to show derech eretz and ot embarrass another Yid in public.
(Just as a sidebar) : My dad once told me an interesting D’var Torah of why when we say “Sholom aleichem,” to someone, the response is in reverse, “Aleichem, sholom.”
Again, I do not recall in whose name this was said originally – but the reason that he was told, is that when Whe are makdim someone b’sholom, which is Hashem’s name, specifically because we are being makdim, we have a special shemirah on our health at that given moment. The person who was not makdim b’sholom, has no such shemirah on himself, therefore if he said Hashem’s name of “Sholom” and something happened between saying the Name and saying the word “aleichem,” he could have said Hashem’s name l’vatalah. At the time my dad told me this, he was trying to impress on me the idea of not making a bracha l’vatalah, that the Shem in any form is holy, and even when greeting someone, we must always be cognizant of that.January 21, 2009 6:17 am at 6:17 am #672039beaconParticipant
I wouldn’t think saying an innocent “good shabbos” would be considered a stumbling block, ames. Correct me if I’m wrong…January 21, 2009 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #672040
ames, you make a very good point.January 21, 2009 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #672041
hey i dunno about a “good shabbos” but NOTHING is innocent. how do you think you get to talk to a stranger? by greeting them in a normal way. so i guess it COULD be innocent, but it’s not necessarily staying that way.January 21, 2009 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #672043
please, raboissai- i never heard of a girl going over to a 50 yr old man, flutter her eyelashes and say “good shabbos”. Somehow, in my imagination, the wrong relationships start out very differently.
As to whether or not saying g’shabbos is correct- i’d say it’s a chumra/geder (an admirable one). We can’t touch a strange man/woman, we try not to speak to a strange man/womanJanuary 21, 2009 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #672044
ha ha you’re right i can’t imagine myself going over to a 50-yr-old lady and telling her “good shoabbos.” maybe her granddaughter…January 22, 2009 1:11 am at 1:11 am #672045asdfghjklParticipant
ha real funny ya all!!!January 22, 2009 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #672046flatbush27Member
why is far rockaway always slapped along with the five towns? 5towns people are soooooooooooo different from far rockaway and i think everyone knows thatJanuary 22, 2009 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #672047
Ames, I think you have some insecurities, but don’t know if that should carry weight as a general practice.
First of all, doesn’t your husband think you are the most fabulous person he ever met, and would never even think about another woman? If not, try cooking him a fancier breakfast. That ought to do the trick.
But seriously, do you get upset if your husband walks into a CVS and there is a female cashier behind the counter? They always say hello. I mean this issue goes far beyond good shabbos. You must be nervous 24/7, and that is not healthy.January 22, 2009 5:15 pm at 5:15 pm #672048
PY is right on target (especially his joke).
There IS such a thing as a casual hello. I give it many times each day. I never had any wrong intentions when I say hello to the train conductor; nor do I when I say hello to the 50 year old woman and her granddaughter (though in truth, I avoid saying hello or GS to young BY girls because it embarrasses them due to what they have been taught). I have ALWAYS said GS to the 50 year old woman, even going back to when I was 10 (was there ever such a time?). And I have NEVER taken it as anything more than casual, polite greeting when she returns the hello. I guess it goes by what we are taught to think of it – if we are told it can lead to improper relationships then that is what you will think is happening when someone greets you.January 22, 2009 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #672049CuriousMember
moish – try it on some grandma you see next time. You’ll totally make her week!January 22, 2009 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm #672050gavra_at_workParticipant
It depends on your upbringing.
1: whether you are OK saying good shabbos (Which is very different than hello, where it is the “Minhag HaMakom” to say Good Shabbos to everyone).
2: whether BBQ is better than a big dinner:)January 22, 2009 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #672052yossieaParticipant
Maybe if more people said “Good Shabbos” we wouldn’t have a big shidduch crisis. After all, who knows what two words can lead to.
(Of course I am joking.)January 22, 2009 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #672053
yossiea, when you’re not being conrtoversial and defensive, you are quite funny.January 22, 2009 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #672054lesschumrasParticipant
There are ways to word things appropriately and there is the way in which you did. Please refrain from these expressions in the future. Thank you. YW Moderator-72January 22, 2009 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #672055SJSinNYCMember
***EDITED***** is a legal term on YWN?
NO. and thank you for catching it. YW Moderator-72January 22, 2009 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #672056
You can say “Please thank your wife for the delicious cooking and for her hospitality” if you are someone who does not talk directly to women.January 22, 2009 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #672057
It’s been fixed. Thank you.January 22, 2009 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #672058gavra_at_workParticipant
It depends on your upbringing, whether you are OK saying good shabbos (Which is very different than hello, where it is the “Minhag HaMakom” to say Good Shabbos to everyone).
Where it is Bedavka not (such as Mea Shiarim), you may be looked on funnyJanuary 22, 2009 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #672059yossieaParticipant
Squeak, thanks, I think.
I can’t fathom how it would be assur to say Good Shabbos to someone. We’re not talking about stopping and chapping a shmooze. In most cases we’re talking about the Jewish hello, you nod, say GS and keep walking. That has nothing to do with tznius, it’s just basic mentchlichkeit.January 22, 2009 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm #672060
curious, no way – unless it’s MY grandmother. i’ll probably get invited to her house for coffee.
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