Beth Isaac of Flatbush (R Yerucham Leshinsky) Closed?

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  • #1656136

    Eli51
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    I see that Beth Isaac of Flatbush( R Yerucham Leshinskys shul) was sold to Yeshiva Beth Dovid & is now under construction. Did the shul close down? Or did they move elsewhere?

    #1656181

    carolsnbh
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    You mean “Reb Zaidel Leshinsky’s Shul”. Yes. It closed. Sold to the Yeshiva.

    Reb Yeruchim should be gebentched for many years to come. Tzadik of a yid. Like Reb Zaidel ztzl was.

    #1656192

    Eli51
    Participant

    To carolsnbh R Yerucham took over after R Zeidel was niftar. So the shul is completely finished? Or do they daven elsewhere?

    #1656203

    Eli51
    Participant

    Also does anyone know why R Yerucham decided to sell the shul & close it down?

    #1656225

    iacisrmma
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    Dwindling membership along with increased costs in maintaining and running the shul. In addition the long walk was starting to get more difficult for them, may Hashem grant both Rabbi Lechinsky and his rebbetzin Arichas Yamin Vshanim mit gezunt. To my knowledge he did not move the minyan.

    #1656335

    Joseph
    Participant

    What are the funds received in the sale used for?

    #1656409

    iacisrmma
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    Joseph: It’s none of our business. It’s a private shul.

    #1656446

    Joseph
    Participant

    iac: What makes a shul “private”? It is owned by an individual rather than the kehila since the shul was originally bought with personal funds by an individual who retained ownership since?

    #1656730

    iacisrmma
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    I do not know how the original purchase was funded. The property was in the name of the shul and the deed reads that Bais Avrahom Cong. was the seller. I sugggest you find Rabbi Leshinky’s phone number and ask him for an accounting of the funds if you are so interested.

    #1656796

    Joseph
    Participant

    My question is generic, not specifically pertaining to any particular sale of a shul. Specifically my question is when a kehila shutters its doors and sells its shul, Torah’s etc., that were presumably funded by the public, who retains the funds received from the sale after closure.

    #1656805

    Uncle Ben
    Participant

    Joseph: The surviving members

    #1656803

    Eli51
    Participant

    To iacisrmma R Yerucham Leshinskys signature is on the deed

    #1656920

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    Joseph- to give one possible answer to your question by example, my childhood shul got a donation of sifrei Torah and money from another shul that closed and sold off its assets. In return, there was some sort of memorial commemorating the old shul and its members, so it did not just die off.

    #1656940

    anonymous Jew
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    Since most shuls do not pay property taxes or ( in NYC other fees like water usage ) there are restrictions on how money can be distributed. For example, if a shul wantec to provide for a pension for its rav, in NY, permission would need to be obtained ( I think either from NY Sec of State or a judge )

    #1656950

    Health
    Participant

    I met R Yerucham Leshinsky in Lakewood. Maybe he’s moving here.

    #1656961

    iacisrmma
    Participant

    eli51: You are correct but the seller is still listed as Bais Avrahom Congregation.It looks to me that he signed as president.

    #1656967

    DWKL1
    Participant

    if a rav opens a shul on his own even though he solicited funds for it ,its still his own private shul . yes hes providing a mokom torah and tefila for the public benefit (and perhaps raises money for the upkeep (utilities ,upkeep etc perhaps even a small income) but at the same time he enhances peoples ruchniyos by providing shiurim,sholosh seudos , perhaps a mikva etc
    but the real estate is his and if the minyin is dwindling or dying out unless its a building owned by the shul which is made up of board members
    its a private place belonging to an individual and his family hence they can sell it and keep the proceeds

    #1657291

    iacisrmma
    Participant

    Health: Might be a possibility. He also has children living in Lakewood.

    #1657725

    smerel
    Participant

    There are many complicated halachos about closing down and selling a shul building. Particularly if it was built with funds solicited from the public. In the 1970s when many neighborhoods were deteriorating and many shuls were closing down it was a major contentious issue with many Diney Torah and L’havdil law suits.

    There are too many factors involved to discuss it here.

    I know of some shuls that made a deed restriction that if the shul ever closes down and the building is sold then some external organization like the Agudah or the OU will (1)decide where to distribute the money but (2)can not distribute the money to themselves in order to avoid a conflict of interest when the shuld gets sold

    #1657730

    smerel
    Participant

    “if a rav opens a shul on his own even though he solicited funds for it ,its still his own private shul ”

    This is not so simple in halacha. The donors to a shul sometimes do have a say about it’s being closed down or sold.

    I’m not saying that is the situation here. I just talking in general.

    Go through the sugyos of Beis Medrash shel Krachim/Kefarim

    #1657811

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    I used to teach a Bar Mitzvah student there.

    The Wolf

    #1658264

    cherrybim
    Participant

    There are numerous shuls (especially shteiblach) and yeshivas that are privately owned yet have a non-profit status. It is not a steera.

    #1662922

    Eli51
    Participant

    I found out new information regarding why R Yeruchem Leshinsky sold the shul in addition to the reasons giving above was Leshinsky was not trying to sell the shul & only sold it when the yeshiva came to the Rav & made an offer.

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