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  • #1945048
    Avram in MD
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    In the “boycott amazon?” thread (see: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/boycott-amazon), several posters quickly defended the right of Amazon and other “Big Tech” companies to de-platform anyone they wished to, as it is not a First Amendment issue. Fine. I feel, however, that this rush to defend these giant companies is short sighted and comes primarily because the companies happen to be de-platforming those with opinions they abhor. That’s well and good for today, but tomorrow, they may be de-platforming you, or people with views you happen to support.

    No, it’s not a First Amendment issue, but do you have any problems with the fact that just six companies (Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, Google, Apple, and Twitter) and their multi-billionaire CEOs have garnered almost complete control of the flow of information on the Internet? That their power to control messaging and manipulate us via what we see and don’t see surpasses the abilities of most governments? That just two companies control billions of smartphones that are essentially spying ID devices constantly collecting data on what we are saying, thinking, where we go, who we see, what we buy, etc? Sure you can knee-jerk respond that we are free to opt out and not buy a smartphone or use the Internet, but that doesn’t stop you from being tagged/identified in other people’s photos, being recorded on other’s Ring devices while you walk on your street, etc. And it is becoming increasingly difficult to advance or participate in society without interacting with the Internet.

    Does this bother you? Instead of sitting back and saying “this has nothing to do with the First Amendment”, do you think our laws are keeping pace with rapidly advancing technology in a way that keeps us safe and free? And what can we as citizens, customers of these companies, and in our role as their products (they collect and sell our personal data, so yes, we have been turned into products) do about it?

    Note: If you jump in and crow about how Republicans are to blame because they give businesses carte blanche to do what they want, or Democrats are to blame because they’re in league with Big Tech, etc. you may think you are clever, but you are not providing anything productive. This is a non-partisan issue that affects everyone.

    #1945080

    The same as a nation deserves the leaders she elects, she also deserves the media it chooses to use.
    Hashem sent us printing press, public libraries, telegraph, telephone, Morse code, radio. Americans decided to watch ABC and CNN.
    Hashem then sent PCs, AOL, HTTP, FTP, USENET, AltaVista. We can now share GBs of information with millions of people in seconds. Can you imagine what Moshe Rabeinu would do with that?! Americans decided that they’ll get news from Twitter and FB.

    So, is it Twitter fault that people prefer being entertained?

    #1945143
    Yserbius123
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    It’s Oliver Wendell Holmes’s famous quote “You can’t cry FIRE in a crowded theater and claim freedom of speech”. Social media has given everyone a megaphone and it is the responsibility of the owners to ensure the megaphone doesn’t land in the hands of a fire crier.

    #1945251
    Yt
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    Bezos isn’t ceo anymore

    #1945333
    charliehall
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    “but do you have any problems with the fact that just six companies ”

    Yes, but Republicans have long opposed antitrust laws and have packed the courts with sympathetic judges. It will be years before the federal govenment will be able to do anything about the problem and even then that will be only true if Democrats continue to control the White House and Congress.

    #1945334
    Quayboardwarrior
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    @Yt he is until Q3 2021.

    #1945335
    akuperma
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    People have constantly complained that the “big” businesses are too powerful and undermine democracy and freedom. This should be put in historic context. Ask where the current all-powerful evil corporations were 50 years ago? Look at the list of the then all-powerful evil corporations of 50 years ago, and ask how important they are today? If the list from 50 years ago is the same as today (and all the more so, the same as 50 years before that), it would indicate the major corporations have dictatorial control over the country and society. If fact, the lists are significantly different. If people don’t like what a corporation is doing, they’ll take their business elsewhere, and soon that corporation will be looking for new leadership in hopes of rebuilding and reorganizing (or worse, looking for a bankruptcy lawyer).

    #1945354
    Avram in MD
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    Always_Asks_Questions,

    “So, is it Twitter fault that people prefer being entertained?”

    Actually, yes I do fault Twitter partly for it. People go onto Twitter and other social media assuming it is an open community where they can read about what others around them are thinking and doing. Yes, people may actively tunnel into content that reinforces their own views, which has contributed to the increased polarization we are seeing in our society, but the social media companies are not up front with us about the algorithms they use to decide what content we see or don’t see. Their goal is engagement, keeping our eyes captured on their apps so we keep clicking and receiving ads, and so they can harvest as much personal information from us and our contacts as possible to sell to other parties. So while people sign up for Twitter voluntarily, they are not being told that they are actually signing up for a program of psychological manipulation and data harvesting to serve unknown interests. Are you concerned about that?

    #1945357
    Avram in MD
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    Yserbius123,

    “Social media has given everyone a megaphone and it is the responsibility of the owners to ensure the megaphone doesn’t land in the hands of a fire crier.”

    Not really. Social media companies set up terms of service to to maximize monetization, not just to weed out speech that’s not protected by the First Amendment. And where they can increase usage and monetization by unevenly enforcing those terms of service, they do so.

    #1945450
    Avram in MD
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    akuperma,

    “This should be put in historic context. Ask where the current all-powerful evil corporations were 50 years ago?”

    Your assertion seems to be that evil corporations are eventually checked in their excesses by customers voting with their feet. I would contend, however, that the downfall of these “evil” companies is more associated with the rise of new technologies that disrupt the market. The big companies that have everything invested in the infrastructure to make the now obsolete product, like the Titanic, cannot change course as fast as upstart companies building new infrastructure, and thus fall from dominance. The challenge here is that these six companies are developing technology with capabilities we do not fully understand due to withheld information, using this technology in ways we do not see, and they have taken control of the flow of information itself. Therefore, they have created an infrastructure that is required to create new infrastructures. I’d contend that their level of control over humanity is historically unprecedented.

    #1945467
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    I’d like to cancel charlihall for bringing in partisonship after the OP explicitly asked not to.

    Mods?? Cancellation please? Deplatformazation? Censure ?

    #1945476
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Note: If you jump in and crow about how Republicans are to blame because they give businesses carte blanche to do what they want, or Democrats are to blame because they’re in league with Big Tech, etc. you may think you are clever, but you are not providing anything productive. This is a non-partisan issue that affects everyone.

    #1945634
    Avram in MD
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    charliehall,

    “Yes, but Republicans have long opposed antitrust laws and have packed the courts with sympathetic judges”

    As I said in the OP, I think this issue transcends partisanship. Both sides of the aisle have been feckless in their response to the assault on our privacy, partly because many elected officials don’t understand the technology, partly because those who do utilize the personal data harvesting to their advantage, and partly because the tech companies contribute to campaigns.

    “It will be years before the federal govenment will be able to do anything about the problem and even then that will be only true if Democrats continue to control the White House and Congress.”

    Do you think our current laws and even the Constitution are sufficient to protect our interests with respect to these new and emerging technologies and the interests that wield them?

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