July 28, 2013 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #610183
Can someone explain why Bike Riding is banned?July 28, 2013 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #969010popa_bar_abbaParticipant
You might fix it if it breaks.July 28, 2013 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #969011rebbi1Participant
who banned it and when?July 28, 2013 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #969013
Who said it was banned?July 28, 2013 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #969014takahmamashParticipant
I see plenty of hareidim riding bicycles. Maybe they missed those pashkvellim.July 28, 2013 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #969015akupermaParticipant
Since a bike is a more complex mechanism than a stroller, it is likely to break and on Shabbos it would involve doing a melacha. All complex mechanical things are banned on Shabbos.
In urban area, it is halachically allowed but very dangerous since if you bump into a car, the person on the bike loses. In places with no motor vehicles, there is no such problem.July 29, 2013 11:25 am at 11:25 am #969017
In some communities (I think mostly chassidish) they have banned bike riding for both boys and girlsJuly 29, 2013 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #969019Torah613TorahParticipant
What is this thread referring to?July 29, 2013 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #969020
Its not hearsay, Ive heard directly from people in these communitiesJuly 29, 2013 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #969021
You have not responded to the crux of the comment, that it frankly is not your concern. nor have you explained why hearing it from someone else is not hearsay. You did not see the Ban. You did not hear it from the person who IT IS BANNED.
And if they told you directly about some alleged ban, would it not make sense to ask THEM about it?
if you do not learn to keep a civil tongue you will be bannedJuly 29, 2013 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #969022
They did tell me directly. They actually did not like the ban, but since they were part of these communities they were forced to obey it.
They were not satisfied with the reason.July 29, 2013 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #969023ChaimyParticipant
Who is banned? When are they banned? Where are they banned? Israel? NY? Boys? Girls? Older girls, ladies? Shabbos? Yom Tov? or maybe you mean on the sidewalk?July 29, 2013 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #969024
Boys and Females
During the Week, normal bike riding for a kid.
Adult Females are banned as well. I dont know about Adult MalesJuly 29, 2013 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #969025Torah613TorahParticipant
I agree that bike riding should be banned.July 29, 2013 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #969026
You just cant ban something, you need a reason for it. Its just as assur to ban something permitted as it is to allow something assurJuly 29, 2013 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #969027WIYMember
All exercise should be banned.July 29, 2013 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #969028shuliParticipant
bike riding is a fun, healthy activity for boys and girls of any age. is there a reason it was banned? I’m very curious.July 29, 2013 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #969029akupermaParticipant
Virtually everyone bans biking on SHabbos.
Since many Hasidische Rebbes are also concerned about everyday life in their communities, they may ban biking in their community for safety reasons.July 29, 2013 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #969030WolfishMusingsParticipant
bike riding is a fun, healthy activity for boys and girls of any age. is there a reason it was banned?
You answered your own question. 🙂
The WolfJuly 29, 2013 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm #969031apushatayidParticipant
“they may ban biking in their community for safety reasons.”
A more appropriate ban for health reasons might be to limit ones intake at tikkun to 2 pieces of herring and a cracker.July 29, 2013 7:11 pm at 7:11 pm #969032oneoutofthreeMember
Since many Hasidische Rebbes are also concerned about everyday life in their communities, they may ban biking in their community for safety reasons.
If that is the case then driving cars should be bannedJuly 29, 2013 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #969033yichusdikParticipant
Obvious why it was banned.
Could lead to dancing.July 29, 2013 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #969034
The ban has nothing to do with Shabbos, I am talking about weekday Bike Riding.July 29, 2013 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #969035yehudayonaParticipant
re bikes leading to dancing: Search for fixed gear bike ballet on Youtube. You’ll see that yichusdik is not joking.July 29, 2013 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #969036yichusdikParticipant
Actually, I am joking, referencing an oldie but a goodie.July 29, 2013 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #969037
I still think that the LOGICAL place to get information is from the source. And it would only make sense to question it, if you were impacted.
However if people just want to conjecture in hateful manner, far be it from me to be surprised.July 29, 2013 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #969038
Why is it not considered hateful to discuss a Kula but it is hateful to discuss a chumraJuly 29, 2013 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #969039
It is very simple to ascertain how something is being, and going to be discussed.
To whom and how a question is posed and directed is a extremely clear indicator of the intent. As well as past history.
I need not say anything further.July 29, 2013 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #969040
If you dont want to discuss the Takana, that is fine.
You are allowed to agree with itJuly 29, 2013 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm #969041
I have not seen nor heard of it. My Rav never mentioned anything of the sort.
It is not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing, it is a non issue for me.July 30, 2013 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #969042mewhoParticipant
bike riding is good for your health provided you wear a helmet and know how to rideJuly 30, 2013 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #969043
The only thing that I can think of what’s going on is that bike riding was banned for females in some communities because that it’s not tznius, and even if they’re dressed tznius, “es pas nisht” for a frum girl to ride her bike.July 30, 2013 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #969044🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipant
yeshivaguy45- even if someone is dressed tznius, it takes a lot of practice to keep the skirt from picking up or getting caught in the gears. My choice would be to give girls that practice when they’re younger, but I can understand a community from choosing not to do so.July 30, 2013 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #969045
Boys were also forbidden and threatend with expulsion from Yeshiva if they rode bikesJuly 30, 2013 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #969046
Gamanit-If she wears a wide skirt, that will prevent the skirt from picking up. zahavasdad-where did you hear this from?July 30, 2013 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #969047
zd, it doesn’t seem from the comments above that there are any good reasons to be machmir not to ride a bike. Nishtday stood up for the rights of frumkeit, and made a kiddush hashem by being rude to Jews having a civil conversation and pretending that bans don’t exist (sarcasm goes here).July 30, 2013 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #969048🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipant
yeshivaguy45- a wide skirt picks up just as much with the wind, and is more likely to get caught in the gears.July 30, 2013 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #969049takahmamashParticipant
Good thing we don’t live in whatever communities decided that bike riding is assur.July 30, 2013 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #969050
You can google New York Post Orhtodox Bike Ban to get more info
While some will give answer, well its the New York Post, I had it independently verified. It was not sensationalized. It was fairly accurateJuly 30, 2013 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #969051
The only thing that came up from the ny post when I googled it was an article from a year ago that chassidishe schools put a ban on bike riding to school. That article put yidden in a very bad light. If that’s what you’re talking about, I would say that it could be it was banned because of sakana. Maybe the schools were afraid of someone getting hurt on their bike on the way to or from school. That happened to me once. I was riding home from school when I was in elementary school and I lost control of the bike and I rode into traffic. Baruch Hashem I was fine. A week later the principal went to every classroom and said that everyone who leaves school must be supervised. “We had an incident a week ago where a kid got hurt and I don’t want to be responsible for accidents like that.” I hadn’t realized someone had told the principal on me.July 30, 2013 10:37 pm at 10:37 pm #969052
I said that as far as he is concerned there is no ban. And if his story is from the NY Prust, that says much worse things about him than any ban may say about any community.
The important point is that meaningless conjecture solely for the purpose of putting people down, for something that clearly has no impact on you is gross chilul hashem.
feh on youJuly 30, 2013 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #969053
Unless you see a different article, (and I shamefully admit that I looked it up, and of course the web site is sickening) because there is no information there at all.
It talks about biking to school, not a general ban.
There is some misinformation somewhere.July 31, 2013 11:48 am at 11:48 am #969054
People here seem to condemn other communities that they have no contact for doing things they dont agree with especially those who veer (certainly in my opinion) too far to the left. Im sure it doesnt affect you if a certain places certain kulas are taking like Chalav Stam.
However if you take that stance be aware that communities that take on chumras deserve the same constructive critism as veering from the torah and perhaps create more damage to the entire community.July 31, 2013 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm #969055
Your examples actually proves the fallacy of that supposition.
If you would look at the comments about Cholov Yisroel, you would see that the overwhelming majority of comments were saying that there is no reason to be makpid, and there were responses explaining why it is a good reason to be makpid, however, I do not recall seeing anyone who is makpid putting down those who aren’t makpid, as were a goodly number of the comments by those who think you SHOULD NOT be makpid.
Another similar case is if someone choses to use a specific hasgacha, there were some here who went off the deep end, to the extent that they would BAN an item, such as Twizzlers, if it had an additional level of hashgacha.
And most of those taking on additional chumras are not “veering” from the Torah, they base their chumrah on general halacha, they may be carrying it a bit further than you would. (Do not bring in Burka Women to try to prop your argument, the problem with some of their adopted extremism specifically contradicts other halacha) On the other hand, SOME of the meikilim cast aside normative halacha and search for any available possible kula even when adopting such a kula is in contradiction to other kulas.
In addition, schools of thought that specifically teach hereticsm (think Farber) are open to criticism lest there are those that would fall into their trap.
And, to specifically address bike riding, I do not understand how schools not letting children bike to school can create damage to the community, or any community at that.July 31, 2013 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #969056
Nisht, your problem is that you refuse to believe that frum Jews and communities can make mistakes. You aggressively complain and holler that no ban exists for assuring bike riding in any frum community. Why? Because chas v’shalom any community would do something that you disagree with. So what if a few chassidim decide bike riding is bittul torah? But no, you refuse to believe that that could happen. Again, why?
If there are frum communities that assur bike riding, I (and many others) take issue with that, because bike riding is a legitimate, fun form of exercise. And one is halachically obligated to be healthy, according to Rambam in the beginning of perek daled in hilchos dei’os. Go look it up, if you can understand it.
Of course you would bring Farber into this, when he and yct have absolutely nothing to do with the inyan at hand. Classic case of you ignoring the issues and beating up on a guy everyone admits is an kofer b’ikar.July 31, 2013 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #969057Shopping613 🌠Participant
Why should it be banned? Isnt all the ppl saying we should all have bikes instead of cars???????July 31, 2013 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #969058
“You aggressively complain and holler that no ban exists for assuring bike riding in any frum community.”
I do? Where? I just have not heard of one nor have I seen evidence of any such ban. The OP was based on there being such a ban, well, I am from Missouri.
“Because chas v’shalom any community would do something that you disagree with.”
I don’t really think it is negative to assume that communities as a whole do the right thing. (meisitim u’meidichim aside) I can eaily say you are wrong but I would not say that your behavior and outlook reflects on your whole community, certainly since I do not know what community that is.
“If there are frum communities that assur bike riding, I (and many others) take issue with that”
Why? It has no bearing on you.
And even the NY Prust, which is no dan lkaf zechus could only say that is was talking about riding to school. Which someone like me, who is a parent, can understand being a concern. (V’nishmartem me’od l’nafshoseychem is also a halacha)
“Of course you would bring Farber into this, when he and yct have absolutely nothing to do with the inyan at hand. Classic case of you ignoring the issues and beating up on a guy everyone admits is an kofer b’ikar”
It was germane to a point I was making relevant to ZDs comment, perhaps you can’t hold cheshbon beyond a short sound bite.July 31, 2013 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #969059
I take issue with it because kol yisrael areivim zeh lazeh, and I care that Jews everywhere remain halachically committed and intelligent. When some Jews make a ban that is unnecessary and harmful, that should be troubling to Jews everywhere.
Since when has the New York Post known anything about the frum community in ny? you trust them now??
On a related point, where is your derech eretz? why do you always address people so harshly, and get your comments moderated so often? relax a little bit.July 31, 2013 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm #969060
“On a related point, where is your derech eretz?”
Irony? Related? Related to what?
“When some Jews make a ban that is unnecessary and harmful, that should be troubling to Jews everywhere.”
Do you take such strident tones when some Jews start fabricating kulas, ignoring basic halacha? I haven’t noted such reaction from you here.
“Since when has the New York Post known anything about the frum community in ny?”
They try to paint anything religious in the worst light, it tells me something that this is what they came up with, but you are correct, I never consider the Prust as a reliable source. However, ZD mentioned it as a proof/maybe even the source of his story. It was a direct response to that.
“I take issue with it because kol yisrael areivim zeh lazeh, and I care that Jews everywhere remain halachically committed and intelligent. When some Jews make a ban that is unnecessary and harmful, that should be troubling to Jews everywhere.”
However, it is ridiculous to take such a stance on a supposed ban that, who says is harmful, and as far as this thread has been going on, nothing that shows it even exists.
I know that there are commenters who take the stance that , “who cares if it is true, its enough that it might, perhaps be true”. I have seen such posts and comments and of course that is rishus. But in addition, you have a safek if there is something here that You consider bad, but you do not know it to be true (maybe in your heart of hearts you wish it to be true) yet there is a clear din of being dan lkaf zechus, a vaday, which outweighs your safek of kol yirsroel.
“get your comments moderated so often? “
I do? I am aware of only one instance of a comment being moderated. Perhaps you can point me to another instance.
Relax?, I am fairly relaxed, but Kol Yisroel Areivim Zeh Lozeh and I must protest when there is injustice. And this is a vaday.August 1, 2013 2:07 am at 2:07 am #969061
RF actually understands my point
And Kol Yisroel arevin Zeh Lozeh is exactly my point. I contantly bring up the twizzlers because frankly it really isnt an important issue (I dont even eat them) and isnt really threatening to anyone.
But I can tell you I know of people who went OTD because of Chumras , Bans, etc
You can say that you like the ban and thats your right, but once you impose on others thats another story. What if someone wants to ride a bike, are you gonna say the Rebbe said no so you cant ride.
Im sure you heard about the OTD woman who was on Katie Couric who said she had bought a blouse that was a little too tight for her parents taste and was thrown out of the house.I dont know what too tight means, but the woman is totally OTD and goes on national TV to say how bad charedim are. Was it worth a Chumra to get rid of this souls.
There is another OTD Satmar woman who hated having her hair Shaved, She now goes off all over the internet about Hair shaving.
I am sure you all heard of Yaffed, it was all over the news how Charedim dont educate their children. It was not a kiddush hashem.
And thats right Kol Bnei Yisroel Arevim Zeh Lo-Zeh unessasary Bans do not create a kiddish Hashem and may even cause Averiahs because some at some point say Dayenu and just leave.
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