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  • #618408

    2scents
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    Why is the fact that the officer that shot the person in Tulsa a black officer not enough to quiet these black lives matter people?

    #1184580

    Joseph
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    Because the so-called protesters are in reality simply looters, rioters and thugs. Any pretext to looting and burning suffices for them.

    #1184581

    👑RebYidd23
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    Are self-hating Jews not anti-Semites?

    #1184582

    Health
    Participant

    Any black that doesn’t agree with the liberal policies of most blacks is labeled -“Uncle Tom”!

    That’s why Dr. Ben Carson didn’t have a chance to become the president!

    That’s why our President named Obama is very popular amongst blacks!

    #1184583

    yehudayona
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    Ben Carson didn’t stand a chance to become president because the Republicans won’t nominate a black for at least another 50 years. That is, if the Republican party is around for the next 50 years.

    #1184585

    Health
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    YY -“Ben Carson didn’t stand a chance to become president because the Republicans won’t nominate a black for at least another 50 years. That is, if the Republican party is around for the next 50 years”

    What are you – a DemonCrat?!? Always pushing the liberal agenda!

    It’s funny how so many Americans fall for the liberal lies!

    Maybe once upon a time, Americans were racists against blacks, now the real racists are the libs!

    They’re constantly pushing their liberal agenda! Soon they’ll make a law stating that Yeshivas (males) will have to have openly Gay men!

    If you don’t think this will happen soon, you’re in a dream world!

    Just look at all the discrimination laws they’re pushing for!

    Abortion used to be illegal!

    The Frum people voting DemonCrat, are making a big mistake!

    Hopefully the DemonCrat party won’t be around for the next 50 years and will just be written as a bad memory in American history books!

    #1184586

    yehudayona
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    Health, why do you assume that those who criticize the Republican Party are liberals? Please show me where I have espoused liberal ideas. I have stated several times that I plan to vote for neither of the major party candidates for president. In the past, I’ve been able to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of the two evils, but this year even the lesser of the two evils gives off such a stench that I can’t do it.

    If the Republican Party doesn’t survive, it will largely be because it has morphed from the party of Lincoln to the party of Trump.

    #1184587

    TheGoq
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    Health I am not a democrat I am conservative but I don’t feel that those whose opinions differ from mine politically deserve to be ostracized. I think their views are wrong but I don’t demonize the person.

    #1184588

    yehudayona
    Participant

    re “DemonCrat:”

    Unlike Donald Trump and Health.

    #1184590

    Health
    Participant

    Goq -“Health I am not a democrat I am conservative but I don’t feel that those whose opinions differ from mine politically deserve to be ostracized. I think their views are wrong but I don’t demonize the person.”

    That’s nice!

    #1184591

    Health
    Participant

    YY -“Health, why do you assume that those who criticize the Republican Party are liberals?”

    It was a simple assumption, because you didn’t criticize them on the issues, but implied that they’re racists!

    That’s typical MO of liberals! They don’t respond with logic, only with attacks!

    #1184592

    apushatayid
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    2 cents. Officer Betty Shelby, the officer the Tulsa PD identified as the officer who shot Terrence Crutcher is as white as person as you will ever see. Please dont start a thread with misinformation, the information you seek (or clearly dont seek) is freely available to anyone with internet access.

    #1184593

    Meno
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    I think he’s confusing two cases. There was a more recent incident in NC where the officer was black. That’s where all the rioting is.

    #1184594

    dovrosenbaum
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    I liked Ben Carson and thought that him and Trump were very similar. Ben Carson is a chasid me’umos ha’olam, a devout man, a godly man, and a scholar and leader in his field, pediatric neurosurgery. He should run in 2024.

    yehudayona sounds like a real dyed in the wool liberal. If you’re not for the GOP, you’re for Killary. It’s that cut and dry; there can be zero compromise on this issue. Carson didn’t lose the primary due to racism; he lost it due to the fact that he lacked the charisma and pizzazz of Trump.

    There are dozens of African Americans involved in GOP efforts in inner cities. Ramona Johnson is running against Helene Weinstein for NYS Assembly. Here’s the case of a conservative, charismatic, and visionary African American woman running on the Republican line. She’s faced racism and discrimination from Sheepshead Bites and some Facebook groups because she throws a wrench in the commie liberal narrative that Republicans are old rich white guys. And yet, sadly, she’ll lose due to the racist narrative that undergirds white establishment progressivism (white liberals have nothing but condescension and veiled disdain for people of color), and NOT due to alleged racism in the GOP, the same party that freed the slaves.

    #1184595

    Health
    Participant

    YY – “That’s typical MO of liberals! They don’t respond with logic, only with attacks!”

    You just proved this – with your next post:

    Unlike Donald Trump and Health”

    #1184596

    2scents
    Participant

    Sorry, I mixed up the facts, thanks for pointing it out.

    #1184597

    yehudayona
    Participant

    What attack? I stated facts. You have called people DemonCrats dozens, maybe even hundreds of times. Trump’s name-calling is all over the place.

    Also, it’s disingenuous to associate attacks (and lack of logic) with only liberals. These days it seems to be woven into practically all political discourse. Think of Trump’s performance in the Republican debates — back when you presumably supported one of the other candidates.

    #1184598

    Health
    Participant

    YY -“What attack? I stated facts. You have called people DemonCrats dozens, maybe even hundreds of times. Trump’s name-calling is all over the place.”

    You might have stated facts, but what revelence is there to the topic?!?

    “Also, it’s disingenuous to associate attacks (and lack of logic) with only liberals. These days it seems to be woven into practically all political discourse. Think of Trump’s performance in the Republican debates — back when you presumably supported one of the other candidates”

    You might be right, but it’s way more common with the DemonCrats than with Trump!

    #1184599

    yehudayona
    Participant

    I just googled worst Trump attacks. First hit was an article entitled “The 258 People, Places and Things Donald Trump Has Insulted on Twitter: A Complete List.” The article is a month old, so I suspect the number has gone up.

    #1184600

    yehudayona
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    To get back to the topic, I don’t think the issue for BLM people is so much whites shooting [allegedly] unarmed blacks as it is cops shooting them. There have been black cops involved in some of the other cases as well — Freddie Gray comes to mind. As I believe RebYidd hinted, it’s also possible for black cops to be biased against blacks.

    #1184601

    Health
    Participant

    YY -“unarmed blacks as it is cops shooting them. There have been black cops involved in some of the other cases as well — Freddie Gray comes to mind. As I believe RebYidd hinted, it’s also possible for black cops to be biased against blacks”

    Your Liberalism keeps shinning through! This whole thing of BLM is based on a falsehood! Cops aren’t trained to treat blacks any different than whites!

    Yes, a lot of them aren’t armed, but their killing almost always is justified!

    Thanks for bringing up F. Gray, the government went after the cops because it was PC!

    We can all thank the voters who put in Mr. Obama, because there hasn’t been as much friction in race relations since the ’60s!

    #1184602

    akuperma
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    1. Ben Carson had an excellent chance, but he wasn’t very well informed on the details of public affairs. Unlike Trump, he would have been acceptable to the bulk of the “rank and file” Republicans, including the Tea Party and the Neo-cons, and would have been tolerable to the Country Club. He would have had trouble with the “deplorables” (working class whites), but he probably would be leading Hilary at this point.

    2. As we know (consider the Rubashkin case), there is a problem of the criminal justice system being “out of control.” The Democrats find this to be a problem only when their own supporters get shot and want a limited response focusing on “Blacks lives matter” while ignoring the rest of the problem. The alternative is to focus on the overall problem of police and prosecutors acting as if they are ruling over the population, rather than being charged to “protect and serve”. In all fair neither party really wants to disrupt the entire system, though the Libertarians come the closest.

    #1184603

    benignuman
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    Health,

    There is a difference between “justified” and “excusable.” In very few of these cases is the shooting justified, it is often excusable. But there are plenty of times when it is neither and cops need better training (if that is possible).

    I don’t think that there is a racial bias with these issues. I don’t think that Cops are more likely to shoot a suspect because he is black. The focus on African-American victims arises of out of the following facts:

    1. African-Americans commit a disproportionate amount of crime.

    2. Even factoring in No. 1 above, African-Americans are disproportionately stopped by Cops.

    3. A substantial number of Cops are too quick to pull the trigger.

    4. The racial narrative has taken hold with the media so that incidents with African-American victims are reported nationally while incidents with white victims are only reported locally.

    #1184604

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “The racial narrative has taken hold with the media so that incidents with African-American victims are reported nationally while incidents with white victims are only reported locally.”

    Incidents of white against black (cop or civilian) shootings are reported nationally. Incidents of black against white, or the majority of incidents, black against black are reported locally, if at all. The narrative is NEVER an african american killed an african american (in chicago for example it is simply, 4 more shot dead, not 4 more african americans killed by african americans – you can be sure if the murderers were white how it would report), but if a white killed an african american (think george zimmerman/trayvon martin) it is national news.

    #1184605

    Health
    Participant

    benignuman -“There is a difference between “justified” and “excusable”.”

    I just looked into both recent shootings! The one in Charlotte NC was definitely justified!

    A gun was found at the scene corroborating the cop’s story.

    In Oklahoma, they just charged her with manslaughter.

    This is a violation of her civil rights! The shooting was probably justified and certainly excusable! He probably was high on drugs. He didn’t follow any of her orders and he tried reaching into the car.

    The fact that the window was closed could not have been detected from her vantage point!

    Almost all news sites don’t show the video from the chopper at the point of him trying to reach into the car!

    Now in this day and age, I wouldn’t be surprised if cops start waiting for back up, before responding! So much on relying on their protection! But don’t worry – you can still buy guns to protect yourself, until the libs make guns illegal!

    The inmates are running the asylum!!!

    #1184606

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Yes, she was charged with manslaughter. There will be a trial. If the evidence shows, as it did in the Freddie Gray case, that the police did nothing wrong, she will be exonerated, if the evidence backs up a manslaughter charge, she will be found guilty.

    #1184607

    Health
    Participant

    APY -“Yes, she was charged with manslaughter”

    There has to be a real cause not to believe the cop! What the chopper video shows is corroborating evidence! Most news sites don’t show that video!

    This country is going down the tubes because of political correctness!

    #1184608

    yehudayona
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    Health!: “Your Liberalism keeps shinning through! This whole thing of BLM is based on a falsehood! Cops aren’t trained to treat blacks any different than whites!”

    I state facts and you make accusations. I would hope that cops aren’t trained to be racist. That doesn’t mean there are no racist cops. And there’s one one n in shining.

    Health!: “We can all thank the voters who put in Mr. Obama, because there hasn’t been as much friction in race relations since the ’60s!”

    #1184609

    apushatayid
    Participant

    What the press shows me and you and what will becahown at trial, I’m sure, are vastly different. There is a rule of law in this country. Thuggery has no placecib a civil society. Even the uber liberal white reporter for cnn who was deliberately knocked over by an african American rioter (press calls them protesters) in NC made that point (it took being knocked over by a thug for him to see they are thugs not protesters.)

    #1184610

    Health
    Participant

    APY -“There is a rule of law in this country”

    I agree, at least it’s supposed to be!

    The prosecutor in Oklahoma went out of his way to file charges before the police even finished their report!

    We have become a country based on PC, rather than law!

    From NOLO about charging s/o with a Felony:

    #1184611

    Health
    Participant

    YY -“I state facts and you make accusations. I would hope that cops aren’t trained to be racist. That doesn’t mean there are no racist cops. And there’s one one n in shining.”

    Of course, there are! Because you mentioned the Gray case – there wasn’t any proof that their actions were based on racism!

    Yes! Maybe you have problems understanding English?

    I wrote -“We can all thank the voters who put in Mr. Obama, because there hasn’t been as much friction in race relations since the ’60s!”

    I never wrote that racism against anyone, including blacks, is nonexistent!

    #1184612

    yehudayona
    Participant

    You think there’s more friction is race relations today than there was in LA in 1992 when 55 people were killed in race riots?

    #1184613

    Joseph
    Participant

    The NYTimes and other media outlets have been referring to the white mobs of a century ago, in recent news reports, but refuse to characterize the current events as black mobs.

    #1184614

    Health
    Participant

    YY -“You think there’s more friction is race relations today than there was in LA in 1992 when 55 people were killed in race riots?”

    A lot of those deaths were because of a lack of quick response by the authorities! The same thing happened in Crown Heights in ’91.

    The NYPD were ordered to “let them vent”!

    Nowadays with the BLM movement the situation is much worse!

    The mob mentality has been taken over all over the country, not just in a few places!

    Never have police been the target of the mob! Like we’ve seen in Dallas!

    There’s a vacuum in leadership, from the top of the totem pole, in our country!

    #1184615

    147
    Participant

    How many black lives were snuffed out at The World Trade Center today 15 years ago?

    How many black lives were snuffed out at The Pentagon today 15 years ago?

    How many black lives were snuffed out in Shanksville PA today 15 years ago?

    #1184616

    yehudayona
    Participant

    Health, the police deaths in Dallas were the work of one sniper, not a mob. What happened before has generally been described as a peaceful protest.

    #1184617

    Health
    Participant

    YY -“Health, the police deaths in Dallas were the work of one sniper, not a mob.”

    Because of the mob mentality, not who actually pulled the trigger!

    And not just in Dallas, but all over the country!

    Were you alive during the Crown Heights’ riot?

    Yes, one guy stabbed him, but the blame lies on the mob, incessed by Sharpton!

    #1184618

    TheGoq
    Participant

    “incessed”

    Is this a word?

    #1184619

    yehudayona
    Participant

    There was no riot in Dallas. There was a riot in Crown Heights, and the consensus is that Dinkins messed up big time. Likewise, the LAPD messed up in the LA riots. It’s ridiculous to compare the level of racial violence today (in places like Charlotte) to the racial violence of Crown Heights and LA in 1991 and 1992 respectively.

    #1184620

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Why? Violence is violence. Does it matter if it is fueled by anti jewish, anti white, anti police or anti establishment sentiments? A thug is a thug, no matter how “righteous” the cause.

    #1184621

    lesschumras
    Participant

    Apushatayid, so do you also consider the chareidi mobs that riot in Israel thugs?

    #1184622

    Health
    Participant

    YY -“It’s ridiculous to compare the level of racial violence today (in places like Charlotte) to the racial violence of Crown Heights and LA in 1991 and 1992 respectively.”

    You’re right, it’s much worse!

    There’s obviously a vacuum in the leadership in the US!

    That’s why the BLM movement creates anarchy!

    From an article in YWN news:

    “Dallas Police Chief David O. Brown said in a news conference earlier Friday that the suspect had told negotiators he was upset about recent police shootings and wanted to kill white people, particularly white officers. Brown did not name the suspect.”

    #1184623

    apushatayid
    Participant

    The ones that light fires, throw rocks and otherwise cause damage to personal property? Yes. And why would you think I differentiate? Did I indicate anywhere that the race or religion of a rioter made a difference or is that your erroneous assumption?

    #1184624

    Health
    Participant

    APY -“Did I indicate anywhere that the race or religion of a rioter made a difference or is that your erroneous assumption?”

    It was an assumption based on lesschumrahs belief in Liberalism!

    It was not in error, but on purpose!

    #1184625

    lesschumras
    Participant

    Health, don’t make assumptions, particularly when you don’t know my beliefs. APY, my assumption, if incorrect, is a tendency by posters to condone behavior by frum Jews that are condemned when done by others

    #1184626

    from Long Island
    Participant

    Guys;

    You are missing the point. To Blacks there are three colors; Black, White & Blue. It makes no difference what race a police officer is, once he is a police officer, he is feared.

    Honestly, If what I have been reading is true, then Blue seems to treat Black as an imminent threat, always. Scary to be black today.

    #1184627

    yehudayona
    Participant

    Health, you claim today’s racial violence is much worse than that of the early ’90s in LA and Crown Heights. If that’s the case, you should be able to present facts and figures to back it up. For instance, present statistics on deaths, serious injuries, and property damage. I already gave you a head start when I stated that 55 people died in the LA riots (some sources say 54).

    #1184628

    Health
    Participant

    LS -“Health, don’t make assumptions, particularly when you don’t know my beliefs. APY, my assumption, if incorrect, is a tendency by posters to condone behavior by frum Jews that are condemned when done by others”

    So you’re a self-hater! Good for you!

    #1184629

    Health
    Participant

    YY -“If that’s the case, you should be able to present facts and figures to back it up. For instance, present statistics on deaths, serious injuries, and property damage. I already gave you a head start when I stated that 55 people died in the LA riots (some sources say 54).”

    I always bring proof when I have to, not when it’s obvious!

    This is not the first topic in YWN CR about violence!

    I posted in the topic called -“Recent shootings/protests”.

    In that topic I felt the need to post some statistics!

    Go check it out!

    #1184630

    ubiquitin
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    “I always bring proof when I have to,”

    Lol! “always”?

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