October 24, 2010 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm #592760
I am seriously considering both of these seminaries for next year. Especially Bnos Sara. Can someone please tell me what they know about them? Please do not comment if you don’t know that your information is true. I would really like first hand information from girls who attended these seminaries. My main concern about bnos sara is that i hear that it is very hard, is this true? also what is the learning like in each of these seminaries? What are the differences between the two? What types of girls go there? anything you know…October 25, 2010 2:57 am at 2:57 am #942441
It’s not so hard.
In both, the learning is pretty much what you’d expect. A lot of chumash, navi, halacha, mussar.
The main difference is that bnos sarah is newer so it attracts that crowd.
The girls who go to both are more or less the same, although, the same girl almost never goes to both.
Also, Bnos sarah is closer to the dining room, since it’s in building 7. But bnos chava is closer to the payis building, so that’s something to consider.
I’d say, it sounds like you want Bnos sara, go for it.
Also, do you know hebrew?October 25, 2010 9:39 am at 9:39 am #942442
Bnos sara is more yeshivish than bnos chavaOctober 25, 2010 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #942443SJSinNYCMember
I don’t know anything about Bnos Sara but I have only heard excellent things about Bnos Chava. From caliber of students to learning to middos.October 25, 2010 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #942444Mother in IsraelMember
I went to Bnos Chava and loved it. The teachers are AMAZING. The girls are a big mix–some more yeshivish and some less, mostly from Bais Yaakovs, plenty from out of town. The staff really cares about their students. I graduated more than 15 years ago and they still keep in touch with me and my classmates.
I don’t know much about Bnos Sara but I know the em bayis well and she is wonderful. I can’t add anything else.
The proximity to the dining room is not relevant. BC is in buildings 5 and 6 and BS is in building 7, right next door. The difference is insignificant.October 25, 2010 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #942445bygirl93Member
I’m also looking into B.C. and i just wanted ot let you know that it isn’t the same as it used to be because mesores rachel took alot of their type of girls! Also last year B.C. had alot of mesilos type girls because mesilos closed down and B.C. had a gap tp fill because they had less girls than usual so they filled it woth them so to speak!October 26, 2010 12:33 am at 12:33 am #942446
popabarabba- just wondering where u got ur information from, did you go to bnos sarah or know someone who did? also what is the payis building? and i dont speak hebrew fluently but i do speak pretty decent. I have an amazing ivrit teacher throughout hs and i dont think it should be a problem for me. “although, the same girl almost never goes to both.”- wat do you mean by this? how can 1 girl go to both?
watrutalkingabt- in what way are the girls more yeshivish? do they come from yeshivish homes or are they themselves more frum? i heard that the girls in bnos sarah are more out of town.
bygirl93- which type of girls did mesores rochel take? also i dont know what type of girls went to mesilos, can you explain to me?October 27, 2010 12:52 am at 12:52 am #942447
does the oiylam have any ideas for seminary for me. i am yeshivish, i have good grades i love to learn, i am not an aidel maidel.. i have a personality. i am in a bais yaackov now and would love to go to a very yeshivish place i would love a place like b.j.j. without the strong academics and stress.October 27, 2010 3:04 am at 3:04 am #942448
You should go to Meor.October 27, 2010 3:06 am at 3:06 am #942449
monseygirl- how about nachlas or machon raaya? seminar is a b.y. but not academic like most of the other b.y. seminaries, would you consider any of those?October 27, 2010 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #942450
Bnos Chava has taken much more trendy girls in the past year or two because mesilos closed. Its a very with it crowd although they may be solid girls. Check into the last years girls because they changed very recently.
Bnos Sarah girls have much less emphasis on fashion and they are generally a more yeshivish crowd. Some come from yeshivish homes and some became yeshivish on their own. You will probably find diversity in every seminaryOctober 27, 2010 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #942451
Could you please explain what you mean by Yeshivish, yet “not aidel”?
I know what yeshivish is, and I sure know what not aidel is, but how can the two co-exist?
I’ve heard of “yeshivish, but with it” (not sure what “it” is, though), but I can sort of picture who that person might be (Sac comes to mind; Blinky is another perhaps, but with less moxie than Sac).
But who would want the title “not aidel”?October 27, 2010 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #942452
LOL. Too Funny.October 27, 2010 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #942453arcParticipant
in the ultra yeshivish (where they assume every girl is eidel ) eidel has a naive connotation.October 27, 2010 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #942454
Yes, aidel is naive.
Has anyone heard the term “Hadarling”?
Does that mean aidel?October 27, 2010 10:08 pm at 10:08 pm #942455
Thats a good one! I guess its a girl who went to Hadar (I know its a sem, but not sure what brand it is)
But I know just the person to ask. One of our neighbors just went trhu the seminary experience. She may have gone to BC, but I vaugely remember hearing the name Hadar over the summer.
Hadarling – That’s too funny!October 27, 2010 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #942456
i”m looking for a more bais yakov type of place, i think meohr is more of a mixture from differant types of girls. i am prob gonna apply to schools like hadar or bya i wanna know if anyone has a ny other suggestions of places like those.October 27, 2010 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #942457
when i say i”m not aidel i”m not like quiet and sweet, i have a personalty and i have many friends of all differant types but my hashkafos, goals and lifestyle is “yeshivish”October 27, 2010 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #942458
OK, so MonseyGirl (and anyone esle who might use this phrase)
Consider saying (yeshivish, AND on the ball, or with it; not BUT.
But negates the first part, and you really don’t want to call yourself not aidel.
As a parent, the term “non-aidel” brings to mind the girls that come Walmart or Center one in flipflops, sweatshirts and floorsweeping skirts.October 27, 2010 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #942459
BP totty, Chas vshalom i am definitly not impling that at all. my dress and apearance on the outside is quite as yeshivish as my insides. i come from a frum family but i am definitly more yeshivish than them, but because i grew up like that i am more open than others who are on my speed haskaficlly. i was definitly not implying the type u were imaging with the flipflops and suchOctober 27, 2010 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #942460
From your description I think BYA, Seminar & Bnos Chava should be good tries for you.October 27, 2010 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #942461trak443Participant
bnos sarah: definitely more to the right than bc, but not as academic. more of a mix of girls at bc.
monsey girl: yeshivish, but not super academic? tiferes is very yeshivish (there are 5 girls from bais rochel this year). most of the parent body are roshei yeshivos, rebbeim, etc… while that is not necesary or even impot=rtant to the girls, it IS an indication of the yeshivishness of the place. (there are several girls from non-klei-kodesh houses, but the girls themselves are yeshivish. hadar has been losing girls to tiferes and masores rochel (VERY academic, mix of girls, think bjj) so there will be a mix of girls there (as they needed to fill in the past couple of years)
what school are you in? where are your classmates going?October 28, 2010 1:01 am at 1:01 am #942462
Bnos Sarah=academic, yeshivish
Bnos Chava=academic, more “trendy” than bnos sarah
This is NOT 1st hand info, so i could b totally off base:)
Hadarling=girl who went to hadar
bp totty- hadar is very yeshivish,but like very very yeshivish…
monseygirl-machon raaya? from what i’ve heard its academic, but not as stressful as bjj, as well as being smaller (30 girls or something like that), its by, but they have girls who are out of the box.
not to hijack this thread, but does anyone want to help me decide where to apply? i’ve been told bjj, but i want to get other opinions, cuz the other suggestions ive heard range from michlala to machon raaya to bnos sarah and beyond:) i have an interesting list of qualifications…:
ACADEMIC!!!!!, b’iyun, tochen NO “fluff,” i need to be able to ask questions!, yashrus-i dont need a show…,emes!,NOT narrow minded(actlly if it is narrow minded i prob wont get in,so its nisht a prob)October 28, 2010 2:05 am at 2:05 am #942463
smile e..you sound like you want a really academic place try masores rochel, rebitzen tarshish is amazing with very in depth classes and learning style. i dont think machon raaya is for more i want a more narrow minded place and although it sounds funny i”m not looking for a place with girls “out of the box” i want strictly a bais yakov. some people have mentioned to me tiferes and it really soundds intersting but its new so i dont know many people who went their but it really sounds my speed.October 28, 2010 3:06 am at 3:06 am #942464pet peeveMember
i actually agree with popa on this–me’ohr sounds like a great choice. i would consider it. yes its a huge mix, socially–and you will find your crowd there. it sounds like you might really enjoy their derech and program.October 28, 2010 3:18 am at 3:18 am #942465
ok i am a little confused: when everyone says bnos sara is not trendy, does that mean that the girls are nerdy? b/c thats not what ive been hearing. i heard that it is more out of towny than bnos chava but not nerdy girls. please explain what you mean.
monseygirl- from wat ur saying it sounds like ur very similar to me, i am also more yeshivish than my family and also more openinded than other ppl w/ my hashkafos. maybe u should also consider bnos sara? i heard that its very frum girls but not all from yeshivish families and schools, more out of towny and open-minded, but it is very academic. if u dont want acedemic i would consider seminar..,
Smile.e.face-that is exactly what i want, i could not have put it in better words. i want to learn real practical stuff, not just nice ideas that u cant rlly do anything with. i also want to be in a school with girls that are very real, i hate the whole show and fakeness. i am also very openminded b/c i do not come from a yeshivish home or school.
anyone have more info on bnos sara/chava? wat are the teachers like in bnos sara?October 28, 2010 10:16 am at 10:16 am #942466semgradMember
You should all look into Nachlas. It is strictly BY but not close-minded. They are very real and not into fluff…They don’t believe in brainwashing but want each girl to use her individual personality for avodas Hashem. They are also extremely warm and fun. If you have any specific questions about it I would be happy to help.October 28, 2010 12:59 pm at 12:59 pm #942467
Bnos Sara – Is very frum girls usually from Yeshivish families, to make a blanket statement about every girl is foolish, every school has a mix. They learn ALOT and cover ALOT of ground. It IS academic.
Bnos Chava – has a much bigger mix. Its a different type of academic, the girls are *usually* intellectual (no hard or fast rule here). Not all girls are Yeshivish per se, but sincere and Frum, a lot of Flatbushers.October 28, 2010 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #942468Shiru LaHashemMember
Smile E. Face,
hi–i’m new here. 🙂 i saw your post and your list of qualifications–“ACADEMIC!!!!!, b’iyun, tochen NO “fluff,” i need to be able to ask questions!, yashrus-i dont need a show…,emes!,NOT narrow minded”–sounds exactly the way i would describe machon raaya. it’s not as stressful as BJJ but the workload is quite demanding. there is neither busywork nor fluff–the learning is all b’iyun, with sources, pure tochen. the teachers love love love questions and are not at all closed-minded. the principal is absolutely incredible and the entire staff is very warm and available, but not pushy in any way. the girls are shtark, very frum, diverse and extremely driven. i strongly recommend it. hatzlacha with your choices!October 28, 2010 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #942469pet peeveMember
monseygirl: it also sounds a little like you want to find a place that will be just like you. but from your decription, i dont know if thats possible: you want a super yeshivish derech, but you are also open minded, but you want a narrow minded school, yet you want to be able to be you and display your personality. not to imply that good, frum, yeshivish girls dont have personality c”v, but i don’t know of a school that is known to have a very yeshivish crowd and also endorses spunk, spirit and personality,IN ADDITION to having an intellectually stimulating program, without all the pressure. hmmm…lots of qualifications that you’ve got (which is good in a way, b/c it shows you know what you need/want) but to me, in my very own opinion, it sounds like you want something that may not be there and you may need to pick and choose from your list of criteria.
i would recommend doing research: call people in your area that have been in the schools you are interested in and get FIRST HAND INFORMATION. the cr may be good for general opinions, but you should definitely make your own calls.October 28, 2010 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #942470bygirl93Member
when they say trendy- it means:knows how to dress well and with it but tzniusdik! it is true flatbush is a B.C. type but there are many out of town girls as well as out of country! one might say they are Jappy- but it all depends on ur definition of a jap! also B.S. is more yeshivish while B.C. is not yeshivish, but not modern- i guess some would call it “normal” but B.C. has a more diverse group of girls than B.S.! i am so confused on the sem front! who thgt it would be this hard to find a skewl that fits!October 28, 2010 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm #942471
Pardon me being a little unsympathetic here for a second. What would happen if every last girl in the Seminary isnt your type? I went to Yavne NO ONE was my type, I went with NO friends, and now I have a great bunch of friends from there. We dont agree on everything, but I can definitely say they enrich my life. Take a leap of faith, everything doesnt have to be worked out to the last detail.October 29, 2010 2:12 am at 2:12 am #942472
semgrad- i had been considering nachlas for a little while but i dont think its for me i hear that the girls there are very yeshivish like come from yeshivish homes and schools etc and they are very proud of that. this is one reason that i dont think im going to apply there. the second is b/c noone from my school has ever been accepted to nachlas (and girls have applied) i think they think that since i go to an open minded b.y. where there is a mix of girls ranging from hanging out with boys to not watching t.v, non jewish music etc. that evry girl from our school is modern, which is NOT true! so i dont c a point of applying there.
sacrilege- what does everyone mean when they say yeshivish, i dont mean to stereotype but does that mean payis behind the ears type or just father is in kollel and learns torah but isnt neccesarily yeshivish? theres a difference and im not rlly sure what people are reffering to when they say it.so when u say the girls in bnos sara are yeshivish and the girls in bnos chava arent what is the difference? what do you mean by that?
i am very confused between diffrentiating the two b/c people arent using exact definitions, so it is hard to understand the differences. please explain in more detail, if possible.October 29, 2010 5:18 am at 5:18 am #942473
sacrilege-wats yavne like?October 29, 2010 10:18 am at 10:18 am #942474
I also went to seminary with no friends and it was the best choice I made in my life (besides choosing to marry my husband 😉 )
I was able to be my own person and do things I normally wouldnt have done had my close friends been there watching me.
And yes I’m still very good friends with my friends from high school that I didnt go to seminary withOctober 29, 2010 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm #942475
Learning 24/7 (text based). Rarely get a Hashkafa class.
Its in Cleveland so there are no Tiyulim either. Its rare that there is an extra curricular activity…. oh wait there were, AFTER school.
Unfortunately from what I hear Yavne is on the decline.
Most girls do not want the program they offer, and they are unwilling to change.October 31, 2010 4:06 am at 4:06 am #942476button247Participant
I went to Bnos Chava last year and loooved it!
Bnos Chava is academic but def not as academic as bnos sara. however, i heard bnos chava got a lot more work this year they added another report and another class and lots of other work
Yes, the girls from bnos chava are more trendy and most of the girls are from flatbush but there are plenty of out of towners (including myself)and…Bnos Chava has amazinnnnnnng teachers!!!
Bnos sara is also a great school its smaller than bnos chava so the girls are def closer. the girls are more out of towny which doesnt mean they are nerdy at all just not as into fashionOctober 31, 2010 5:23 am at 5:23 am #942477bnos sara-erParticipant
I never post on anything, but I remember how hard it was to find out about seminary, so I’m glad to offer my help. From a bnos sara point of view, I would say that bnos chava is more of a sophisticated intellectual- and growing- type, while bnos sara is more simple, and smart with a desire to grow and learn. Doesn’t mean nerds, just confident with who they are.
Classes, from what hear about BC, seem to be pretty similar, same with open mindedness. Bnos sara girls, possibly take school rules, etc, a bit more seriously (though such things change from yr to yr). Basically, I was no where near a jap when I came into bnos sara, but I learned to be much simpler and care less about styles etc.
1 more point, bnos sara is smaller. Many girls would go away for shabbos with anyone, even not from their close group of friends. So if you think you would gain from the closeness and warmth, it’s definitely a nice plus.October 31, 2010 6:58 am at 6:58 am #942478semgradMember
Bymeidel – Nachlas is a huge mix with some yeshivish girls but they are not the majority. I’m just curious – which school do u go to? It’s worth it to apply – if they want you – they’ll take u regardless of schoolOctober 31, 2010 9:36 am at 9:36 am #942479ramateshkolianMember
Rabbi Geisler from Bnos Chava is one of the BEST educators and people there are today. I would give anything to go back to his classes. But I am the type that actually gets close to and forms a relationship with teachers but I don’t think most girls are like that. I also had Mrs. (ok I am totally blanking on her name- she is the principal and founder of Bnos sara- it will come to me) and she is very warm and sincere. I also liked her classes and approach. Also, there are well over 100 girls in BC and much less in BS- so if you care about that…Also, BS does try to take more chinuch families that have less money, whereas BC (which obviously has a HUGE mix) has girls that come from money and so obviously the competition for gashmiyus plays more of a roll there…. BNOS SARA IS NOT CLOSER TO THE DINING ROOM- BNOS CHAVA IS!! Because buildings 5 and 6 (BC) are technically about 2 inches closer to the DR. (I was in building seven for a year, so I know poppa bar abba, where you getting your info from???October 31, 2010 9:37 am at 9:37 am #942480ramateshkolianMember
epstein- Mrs. Epstien….October 31, 2010 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #942481balancedParticipant
sorry for interrupting the flow but i just noticed this thread and i have a Q from a few days ago . what does yeshivish mean in referance to a girl , that she uses yiddish ? has brisker payos?November 1, 2010 12:03 am at 12:03 am #942482
BNOS SARA IS NOT CLOSER TO THE DINING ROOM- BNOS CHAVA IS!! Because buildings 5 and 6 (BC) are technically about 2 inches closer to the DR. (I was in building seven for a year, so I know poppa bar abba, where you getting your info from???
I’ve taught on the campus for 23 years.
(And I’m a state senator. chad pami: work this into your popa analysis.)November 1, 2010 12:07 am at 12:07 am #942483
smile e. face-u are so wrong about hadar!! as someone who recently graduated from hadar i can tell u that hadar has changed recently and is not “very very yeshivshe” like u say! its a nice mix of girls ranging from yeshivshe to regular and to withit!November 1, 2010 5:14 am at 5:14 am #942484
iluvhashem-srrry!!!!! i was just repeating what i was told! sorry if i mislead a/o, i didnt know either! um, can i ask a stupid q-wat does it mean ranging from yeshivish to reg to withit? r they all mutually exclusive? i never did get jewish politics…:)November 2, 2010 3:17 am at 3:17 am #942485
it dosent mean anything. i was just trying to explain it to u. maybe i used the wrong wording-im sorry. but my pont is that hadar is not as yeshivshe as u say it is and has changed recently and is very different then what most people tend to think of it.November 2, 2010 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #942486WIYMember
So what’s the “new” Hadar. Meaning what’s the new place that has the reputation like the old Hadar?November 7, 2010 2:06 am at 2:06 am #942487
i just think that when u say hadar ppl atomatically think yeshivshe and im sure now they also do but what im saying is that as someone who has just been there i know firsthand and its not like that anymore.face facts-times are changing!!! and when i tell ppl i went to hadar they give me a look and i get so frusterated cuz im not yeshivshe or a “hadarling”!!November 7, 2010 3:20 am at 3:20 am #942488WIYMember
Maybe you were the exception?November 7, 2010 3:58 am at 3:58 am #942489snapplegrlMember
Im a big Bnos Chava fan-i had the best year!! but groups of girls change and they dont have mrs tarshish anymore so cant say so much how it is now.. But one thing i noticed about Bnos Chava compared to other sems is the schedule.. they have school in the morning and at night and most afternoons you are free. Once a week you have class and once a week you need to go to Chessed family but otherwise you have time to enjoy yourtime in eretz yisrael, visit siblngs. do homework, catch up on sleep. my friends in other sems had school from 8-4 like high school and went back to the dorm to do homework.. BC girls are able to get around (not sure if parents like that) but i thought was great… if u have any specific questions on BC i went few years ago..
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