Boro Park Eruv

rav Yisroel Belsky shlita will not walk into boro park on shabbos because he does not want to see chilul shabbos

it was accepted by everyone for a while

I’m still waiting for you to back this up with some evidence other than “my dad says so.”

The Wolf

wolf, your behavior is unacceptable here.

Is it? I wasn’t aware that asking for evidence is unacceptable.

In your world, apparently, it’s unacceptable to ask for evidence, but it’s okay to call people twice your age “little shnuck.”

Now, how about providing the evidence that I’ve (repeatedly) asked for, instead of turning this into a name-calling match.

The Wolf

HIE,

I’m still waiting for your evidence.

The Wolf

mods, can you stop deleting my posts??? wolf wants to hear from me

Wolf:

I think HIE is correct, that the psak was accepted by the vast majority of rabbonim and people.

I don’t have any empirical evidence to back this up, and of course HIE doesn’t either.

But we know it is true.

How do I know? All my rebbeim have said so. I trust them. Would you trust them? I think so, but I’m not naming them.

It also is evident. The eruv which is currently championed was not constructed for 15 years after his death. There was always a great need for an eruv, but it was commonly recognized among the yeshiva orthodox (made up term), that it simply could and should not be done.

I don’t expect this to convince anyone, since I am not presenting any evidence. But for me, it’s good enough to criticize anyone who uses or allows the eruv.

popa_bar_aba: well said. thank you

Even david99 doesn’t seem to support the 1979 eruv.

That is why I said “currently championed”.

So they have become “pocket carriers”. They will not carry openly so as not to offend anyone and also to keep the peace, but will carry privately and quietly.

Or they become like me, who doesn’t really care one way or the other.

I don’t use the eruv, but I don’t call people who do so m’chalelei shabbos.

The Wolf

Sure, not everyone. But it seems an overwhelming majority of rabbonim, spanning litvish, chassidish, and much in between.

Obviously not MO, however. But I forget that in some people’s world, they don’t count. 🙂

The Wolf

wolf, there are always those who will argue but i mean’t the vast majority, and i think we are all in agreement that it was a shtickel chutzpah that 15 years after r moshe’s death, when the vast vast majority of rabonnim accepted that it was no good to make an eruv, they made one. THAT was the chutzpah. wolf, please let me know if you have opposition to what i said here

You know, HIE, I met someone over Yom Tov who reminded me a lot of you.

I met a high schooler who determined that anyone who eats g’brokts on Pesach is not a yarei shamyim, since a *true* yarei shamayim wouldn’t put himself into a position of eating a chasash of chometz on Pesach. When I told him that he was wrong, he told me that I know nothing, that all the gedolim don’t eat g’brokts and he actually called me a “little shnuk” (yes, EXACTLY the term you used — that’s why he reminded me of you) who thinks that I know better than the gedolim.

When I tried to tell him that eating g’brokts is a legitimate minhag, he proceeded to tell me that since I wasn’t wearing a hat, I was obviously not a true ben Torah and therefore knew nothing.

So, I guess the two of you can be me’id about me that I’m only a “little shnuk” and that I know nothing. Fine. Truth be told, since I know that I’m a rasha, an apikorus and have no olam habah*, I guess my opinion doesn’t really matter anyway. So, fine, this shnuk concedes to your vast holy knowledge. I’ll likewise concede in the other thread that we are arguing in. I hereby concede that since I’m just a little shnuk in the opinion of you and others, I must know nothing compared to your vast knowledge and I concede to you that are are a million frum Jews in New York. Want to say there are two million? I’m maskim. Want to say five million? A billion? This “little shnuk” bows before your superior intellect.

The Wolf

* No, I’m not implying that you said this. This is something I know about myself

maybe that guy was me. how funny. Wolf, don’t get so offended. Take a chill. I didn’t mean it so personally. I sincerely apoligize, and will try in the future to treat people with a little respect. Sorry again

HIE

david1999: that is 100% true. Rav Belsky shlita doesn’t go to BP on shabbos for this reason.

chaplaintzvi –

popa_bar_abba –

david99:

I have a question for you.

You think that the opposition to the brooklyn eruv is really just a conspiracy, aided and abetted by most of the rabbonim in new york.

You state “the chicago eruv is a fine eruv”, against the psak barur of the major dayanim and roshei yeshiva of chicago. (I assume you are also referring to the peterson park eruv, which is the controversial one.) You probably think that is a conspiracy as well.

If the vast majority of rabbonim are engaged in these vast conspiracies, why do you trust any of them?

Do you?

Do you just follow your own way in the world? Or maybe just rabbonim who hold of eruvin that you like?

Rav Belsky lives in Flatbush. There is an Eruv in Flatbush. Does he remain indoors from hadlakos neiros until after havdala every shabbos?

HIE –

“There was never a meeting of rabbabnim in Flatbush”

You are a liar.

I was personally at the meeting in the office of Hagon Rav Shmuel Berenbaum.

Attending the meeting was Rav Feivel Cohen, Rav Hillel David, and Rav Aron Schecter.

Not one askan was in that room.

The meeting was called by Rav Shmuel himself, after hearing that an Eruv was being made under the hechsher of a Rov from Monsey.

Get out of here, you creep.

You have lost all Chezkas Kashrus.

And yes. Rav Wosner is a velts mechutzaf for taking a check from Ronnie Greenwald and Co, and being paid to come from Monsey into Flatbush and giving a heter on an eruv where he does not live. Just imagine. A young rov slaps the gadol hador (Rav Shmuel Berenbaum) in the face by doing this.

This is a public Maacha, which is required al pi halacha.

And for the record, go ask Rav Dovid Feinstein about what his father wrote, or held. Stop writing a pack of lies to suit what you want.

And by the way, Hagon Rav Wosner (senior) was outraged when Rav Shmuel Berenbaum personally (not over the phone) informed him of the disrespectful actions of his “paid-off” son.

Ok, so when do you listen to the rabbonim? Only when you are satisfied that all the facts are correct?

Do you think they all are dundering fools and always get the facts wrong?

It is one thing to say it about one rav and one shaala, but you are saying it about most of the rabbonim in New York, and then you extend it to other cities also.

And doesn’t that basically give you carte blanche to ignore them whenever you want?

I am referring to the West Rogers Park Eruv.

I don’t usually try to ridicule people on this forum, but you have never spoken respectfully to any poster who has disagreed with you.

You clearly know nothing about the chicago eruvin. You made a sweeping statement without even knowing which neighborhoods were the issue.

apushatayid: Rav Belsky lives in Kensington, and although the flatbush eruv may cover kensington also, no one carryies in kensington. In fact, there is a chassidisha guy with a family that lives in kensington. This guy used to live in BP and also held that it was chllul shabbos to carry, and couldn’t stand seeing so many people carrying so he sold his house and moved to kensington.