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  • #603895
    yaff80
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    We are looking to take a group of kids from our school to visit the mekoimos hakedoishim in york, UK – Cliffords tower etc (place of Jewish massacre in 1190s)

    Doing research before the event so we can make best use of the time we have.

    It appears that there was a rishon there, a talmid of Rabbeinu Tam called rabbi yom tov of joigny who was originaly from France.

    He was the author of the Piyut “Omnon Kein yetzer” we say on Leil Yom Kippur.

    Does anyone have any other information about him?

    Is he quoted in any Tosfos in shas?

    #880926

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    #880927
    Feif Un
    Participant

    He died al kiddush Hashem. The Jewish community of York had gathered in Clifford’s Tower trying to protect themselves from a mob. The tower was surrounded, and the mob demanded that the Jews convert to Christianity, or they would be tortured to death. R’ Yom Tov paskened that the Jews should kill themselves rather than convert or go through the torture.

    The men in the tower killed their families. R’ Yom Tov then killed the men, then killed himself. The few people who refused were eventually let out of the tower with promises that they would not be harmed, and would be allowed to convert. They were then killed.

    #880928
    yichusdik
    Participant

    There’s a mention of him (most likely) in a tosfos on the word “Ma” in Psachim daf 116 omud alef, regarding whether one says a brocho hamotzi on the broken piece of matza at the seder. Rabbi Gil Student, in his excellent Hirhurim blog, mentions him and his perushim in an essay on Rabbeinu Tam from July 2007, its online, but not much there.

    #880929
    Kita Ches Rebbi
    Participant

    Check Pesochim 102a and Chulin 87a.

    #880930
    mdd
    Member

    I think so — can’t recall where at this moment.

    #880931
    R.T.
    Participant

    Hi yaff80.

    I just happened to look through my copy of the Sefer Shemot Chachamim, and the following is a loose translation.

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    Rabbenu Yom Tov moved from France to England towards the end of his life (and it is thought that he moved after the petira of Rabbenu Tam).

    Tosafot Yoma 48a praises him as HaKadosh Rabbenu Yom Tov. Rav Shimshon MiShanz also brings his Chiddushim and praises him with great honour.

    He was niftar Al Kiddush HaShem during the crusades that massacred the residents of York.

    #880932
    old man
    Participant

    Ba’alei Hatosafot,A.A. Auerbach, page 145, footnote 4.

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    #880933
    yichusdik
    Participant

    So I’ve had a chance to look in sefer otzar hagedolim, and the author, r’ naftoli yaakov hakohen, brings that he is mentioned in tosfos in the following places: yevamos 57, menuchos 88, krisus 14, yoma 48, Ri miParis quotes him regarding seder pesach in brachos 31, and among others Rav Yehudah Hachosid (an ancestor of mine) was a talmid of his. there are also a couple of other mentions in tosfos such as nidah 36, but apparently these were to’us sofrim, and a different R’ yom tov was intended.

    #880934
    pcoz
    Member

    takkeh yichus

    #880935
    R.T.
    Participant

    Hi Yichusdik. The sefer that you quoted; is it still available/in print?

    #880936
    yichusdik
    Participant

    pcoz – challenging to live up to.

    RT – no, it is not in print. I wish it was. I have been looking to complete my set for over 10 years. I have seven of 11 volumes, five of which I inherited from my father and grandfather, and 2 of which I found in bookstores in Israel. One place I found one that I can remember is Lichtensteins on Rechov Strauss, #36, I think, but that was at least 7-8 years ago. the seforim were written in the 50’s and 60’s, with a small print run, and the author was a survivor of the shoah from Hungary. It is an alphabetical encyclopedia of every gadol from the time of the geonim through the rishonim (the bulk of those researched) into the early achronim. He brings as much detail as he can, sometimes 10 pages or more on those rishonim for which there is much collative material available, and sometimes only a sentence or two if there is really nothing known but the name. I’ve found these seforim to be an incredible help with my genealogical research into my family, and often an excellent confirmation of sources I have found elsewhere. If you do find it anywhere, please post something in the coffee room to let me know.

    #880937
    R.T.
    Participant

    Thank you yichusdik.

    I had a chance to check online and found out that hebrewbooks.org has the first 9 volumes for d-load. I used my above mentioned sefer (compiled & written by R’ Avraham Meir Weiss, published Bnei Brak, 5769) as well as Shem HaGedolim by the Chid”a (we have a tradition that I am a descendant of the Chid”a) in my genealogical work. Sefer Yochasin is useful for pre-Geonic lineage. Sometimes little fragments of yichus/history are found in other seforim, not necessarily biographical. Hatzlacha Rabba with your research.

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