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  • #1962798
    CHOOSID
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    Is it a contradiction to the Torah that there can be life on another planet? I think I once heard from a Q and A with R,Avigdor Miller that it’s not.

    #1963020
    DaMoshe
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    Over Yom Tov, I was reading the R’ Moshe Feinstein Hagaddah from Artscroll. One of the stories in it said that when man landed on the moon, R’ Moshe said he knew they’d find nothing there. He said that in all his learning, he never found any reference to life on other worlds, so it must not exist!

    #1963027
    ujm
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    There are millions of aliens in the US. Including, approximately, eleven million illegal aliens.

    #1963026
    OrechDin
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    Life on other planets fully comports with the narrative of Bereshit. There is no reason to think that “shamayim v’aretz” is limited to the sky above our heads and the land under our feet. This is one of the biggest problems that Orthodox Judaism has in its relationship with the rest of creation. Too many frum Jews limit Hashem’s reach. Hashem is infinite. More infinite than the human mind can fathom. Hashem is the Creator of Earth, Mars, and those galaxies 11 billion light years away. He created the black holes and pulsars and asteroids. He moves galaxies and universes, not just mountains and streams. While Hashem created and controls the impossibly vast and infinite universe, he is also concerned with the moment-to-moment existence of each living creature right here on Earth. And among the 7 billion people on Earth that he takes care of, He has a vested interest and concern for YOU, personally. Contemplate THAT.

    #1963031
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Tiferes Yonasan in Parashas Noach on the Dor Haflaga says that they wanted to escape to the moon. being afraid of another flood, as it is a known fact that the moon is inhabitat.

    #1963049
    5TResident
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    Why shouldn’t there be aliens? Hashem is Master of the Universe and the creator of all living creatures, not just Jews. Hashem could easily have created creatures on other worlds, who also perceive Him.

    #1963043
    Reb Eliezer
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    Hashem created everything from energy containing strings of energy, in effect Hashem resides in everything, through the two forms Heaven and Earth created the first day, with the Bing Bang.

    #1963042
    catch yourself
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    I’ve never heard that story about Rav Moshe before. If it’s true, the quote proves that while extraterrestrial life is unlikely to exist, there is nothing in the Torah that precludes the possibility that it does.

    #1963036
    commonsaychel
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    yup the amout of aliens swamping the the us increasing on a daily basis

    #1963069
    Yechi Hamelech
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    The Torah doesn’t mention it so it doesn’t exist?

    Does that mean I don’t exist (because the Torah doesn’t mention me)?!
    Does that mean that black holes, icebergs, volcanoes, electricity, and kangaroos don’t exist because the Torah doesn’t mention it?!

    #1963072
    akuperma
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    According to our own sources, pre-dating modern sciences, the multiverse includes many places where intelligent extra-terrestial beings exist. As these extra-terrestials lack American citizenship, if they come to the USA they will be “aliens” (though presumably they are citizens of their home worlds).

    #1963080
    commonsense234
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    look in shoiftim perek hey posuk chuf gimmel with rashi

    #1963091
    Health
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    Choosid – Oh course there are. I saw many videos online.
    They even have a place in Nevada, where they come to visit.
    I think it’s called Area 57.
    They come here because it’s like going to the Zoo.
    We are so behind in Technology.
    The only thing we Humans have over them – is we have the Torah.
    So in Area 57 – the aliens are teaching the Americans how to make planes that are Anti – Gravity.
    That’s how they come light years away in 20 minutes.
    But I’m sure the Americans can’t understand the technology.
    Just like some people Don’t Vax!

    #1963094
    5TResident
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    Health: You mean Area 51. You’re probably thinking of Passenger 57, with Wesley Snipes.

    #1963132
    ubiquitin
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    5T

    He’s more likely thinking of the documentaries he has seen online. like ET and Men in Black

    #1963135
    Yt
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    Area 51 holds creatures like hitler, bin laden (btw he’s still alive and the USA is gonna fall so stock up on gas and food)

    #1963154
    Health
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    5TR -“Health: You mean Area 51.”

    I stand corrected.
    But the fact that Governments keep the fact that Aliens exist a secret, is appalling.
    Well I take this back.
    When more than half the country believes Biden won the election, they can’t even Comprehend simple things.
    So when the US Air force shot down an alien plane, the Government was too scared to tell e/o.
    They must have thought that maybe they were out to destroy Mankind.
    If this was the case, Humans had no way to defend against any attack.
    We didn’t even have Nukes at that time.

    In reality, they came – like we go to Zoos.
    Humans are so far behind in intelligence – they pose no threat to these Aliens.
    They’re probably one step behind Angels.

    #1963167
    ☕️coffee addict
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    We say בשביל לי נברא העולם if there was no reason for them in regards to us they don’t exist

    #1963168
    rightwriter
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    Health, area 57? It’s called area 51. Now go get your facts straight and get the vaccine while your at it! And if you already got the vaccine, get it again.

    #1963175
    Sam Klein
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    So where exactly do you place aliens honestly? Somewhere between animals and Demons? Or more between demons and angels versus humans?

    #1963178
    CHOOSID
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    They say in Area 51 they have a chulent recipe that all groups of klal Yisroel from chassidim to litvocks to modox to yekis to Sephardim, would like!!

    #1963181
    CHOOSID
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    Area 51…51 ingredients in the chulent!! I wonder what?(mistama 1 Is beans…no?)

    #1963305
    emes nisht sheker
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    Based on the comments in the Coffee Room, not only are there aliens, but they live among us.

    Case closed.

    #1963349
    commonsaychel
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    There are a bunch of aliens who are day laborers and just jumped into a pick up truck, my cleaning help are aliens who are paying off the smugglers who got them across the Rio Grande

    #1963376
    Redleg
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    Nit pick time.

    1. Orech Din, something cannot be MORE infinite than something else.
    2. Reb Eliezer, I thing you meant BIG bang, not BING bang.

    #1963390
    Yserbius123
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    I have a recording of Rav Moshe Heineman SHLITA where he was asked this question. He quoted a Gemara in Berachos, which names stars that have a beracha because the residents of those stars came to help the Bnei Yisroel in a milchomo, as a raya that there can be aliens.

    Lehavdil BChLCh, Rabbi Dr. Norman Lamm wrote an essay discussing this topic at length. It was published in a book called Challenge. He concludes that there are Rishonim who would accept that the existence of intelligent aliens is possible.

    #1963425
    ubiquitin
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    Redleg

    “something cannot be MORE infinite than something else.”

    while we are nit picking that is not quite true

    There are degrees of infinity.

    For example there are an infinite number of Numbers and there are an infinite number of Even numbers.
    yet there are more numbers than Even numbers.

    Then of course there are an infinite number of numbers BETWEEN any two numbers

    The different degrees of inifnity are represented by aleph-0 aleph-1 etc

    #1963426
    ubiquitin
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    My pending post is wrong

    There are an equal number of cardinal (counting) numbers. so the number of numbers and even numbers is the same (if you take a list of numbers, double each you now have a lsit of even numbers just as long as original list) .

    nonthless there are different llevels of infinity

    see “Some infinities are bigger than others” From cosmos as well as the excellent ted ed video on the “hotel infinity” paradox (linked to there)

    #1963435

    ubiquitin – there are indeed different infinities and some are bigger than others. It may be a cabbalistic concept introduced by George Cantor and labeled as Alef, mabye the only Hebrew math symbols in the sea of Greek letters [just found out that there is also a Bet[.

    Infinity of real numbers (aleph_1) is higher than those of natural numbers (aleph_0). Maybe Georg Cantor introduced these numbers as a tribute to his semi-denied Jewish ancestors. He definitely felt that his theories of infinity relate to G-d.

    #1963430

    Yep, Orechdin, there are infinities and then there’re infinities. The great German mathematician, Georg Cantor, created a whole new branch of mathematics called Set Theory that among other things deals with one-to-one correspondence of numbers in different infinite sets. Set Theory is one of the fundamental theories of modern math. There’s even (perhaps) an infinite set of infinite sets that is infinitely larger than the each infinite set contained therein. The problem lies in the word ‘infinity’ and the way we use it without making distinctions between different infinities.

    #1963445
    Health
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    Yesr123 –“I have a recording of Rav Moshe Heineman SHLITA where he was asked this question”

    I remember seeing in the JP years ago, the original publisher wrote a Shailos V’teshuva Sefer.
    He asked this question & he answered that there are!

    #1963452
    5TResident
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    I really don’t know why this is even a question. We refer to Hashem as “Master of the Universe”. The Universe consists of untold numbers galaxies, stars and planets. Hashem is the creator of all of them. Why shouldn’t beings exist on other planets? Perhaps they acknowledge the existence of Hashem in their own way? Who is to say that WE aren’t the aliens being pondered by beings on other planets?

    Hashem is the Master of the Universe. That means Master of everything.

    #1963451
    Yechi Hamelech
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    Chassidus discusses the chakira which asks that if the world is physical and bound by the limitations of nature, then how could there be elements of infinite in it such as numbers that go on forever and space which goes on forever. I don’t remember the conclusions but it is a weighty topic. Everybody knows that when Moshiach comes, the Bli Gvul dimension of elokus will be invested in this physical world, a phenomenon which we can’t really understand without experiencing it ourselves.
    It is possible, however, that some reflection of this idea can be found even now in regards to infinite in olam hazeh with numbers etc.

    #1963585
    CHOOSID
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    I heard that under trump there were less aliens but Biden let’s all the aliens come into america!!

    #1963586
    CHOOSID
    Participant

    Mainly baby aliens who have no where to go

    #1963795
    CHOOSID
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    Are aliens green?

    #1963915
    smerel
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    Rav Yaakov Kamestsky said that there may or may not be living creatures (animals) in space but there can not be people like creatures with Bechira because Hashem would not have created people with bechira with giving them some sort of guidance and Zos H’Torah Lo T’hay Muchlefus.

    #1963941
    5TResident
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    Choosid: I’m sorry, but such a Chulent will only exist in the time of Moshiach. Moshiach will be the true Great Uniter, someone whom every Jew from every walk of life will recognize as the Redeemer. The Moshiach is the only one who can create a Chulent that will be delicious to every Jew everywhere. Until then, there will be machlokes over how Chulent should look and taste.

    #1964064
    Health
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    Smerel -“Rav Yaakov Kamestsky said that there may or may not be living creatures (animals) in space but there can not be people like creatures with Bechira because Hashem would not have created people with bechira with giving them some sort of guidance and Zos H’Torah Lo T’hay Muchlefus.”

    I wrote this above:
    “Humans are so far behind in intelligence – they pose no threat to these Aliens.
    They’re probably one step behind Angels.”

    The reason that Humans have Bechira is because they aren’t too smart.
    Any being that has intelligence, knows that there is a Boray Oolam.
    Yes, there are life forms in this Universe that aren’t Malochim or Shaidim.
    And they actually come to visit in Area 51 in Nevada.

    Look I understand why the Government kept it a secret all these years.
    Most people can’t believe that there is a Boray Oolam, let alone there’s creations that have intelligence.
    Chazal say Niskotu Huh-Oolam, you see more & more lack of Sechel in this World.
    How could a person become President when he lost an Election?
    I understand countries like China, Russia, etc., where it isn’t a Real election, but the US was a Free country for White people for 200 years!
    Hashem won’t allow this Country to continue with the Extreme Liberalism that is taking place after the first impeachment of Trump!

    #1964561
    Midwood Yid
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    sorry, no outside links.

    Aish.com Judaism and Life on Other Planets

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