CAN THERE BE ALIENS??
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April 6, 2021 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm #1962798CHOOSIDParticipant
Is it a contradiction to the Torah that there can be life on another planet? I think I once heard from a Q and A with R,Avigdor Miller that it’s not.
April 7, 2021 10:15 am at 10:15 am #1963020DaMosheParticipantOver Yom Tov, I was reading the R’ Moshe Feinstein Hagaddah from Artscroll. One of the stories in it said that when man landed on the moon, R’ Moshe said he knew they’d find nothing there. He said that in all his learning, he never found any reference to life on other worlds, so it must not exist!
April 7, 2021 10:18 am at 10:18 am #1963027ujmParticipantThere are millions of aliens in the US. Including, approximately, eleven million illegal aliens.
April 7, 2021 10:19 am at 10:19 am #1963026OrechDinParticipantLife on other planets fully comports with the narrative of Bereshit. There is no reason to think that “shamayim v’aretz” is limited to the sky above our heads and the land under our feet. This is one of the biggest problems that Orthodox Judaism has in its relationship with the rest of creation. Too many frum Jews limit Hashem’s reach. Hashem is infinite. More infinite than the human mind can fathom. Hashem is the Creator of Earth, Mars, and those galaxies 11 billion light years away. He created the black holes and pulsars and asteroids. He moves galaxies and universes, not just mountains and streams. While Hashem created and controls the impossibly vast and infinite universe, he is also concerned with the moment-to-moment existence of each living creature right here on Earth. And among the 7 billion people on Earth that he takes care of, He has a vested interest and concern for YOU, personally. Contemplate THAT.
April 7, 2021 10:27 am at 10:27 am #1963031Reb EliezerParticipantThe Tiferes Yonasan in Parashas Noach on the Dor Haflaga says that they wanted to escape to the moon. being afraid of another flood, as it is a known fact that the moon is inhabitat.
April 7, 2021 11:15 am at 11:15 am #19630495TResidentParticipantWhy shouldn’t there be aliens? Hashem is Master of the Universe and the creator of all living creatures, not just Jews. Hashem could easily have created creatures on other worlds, who also perceive Him.
April 7, 2021 11:16 am at 11:16 am #1963043Reb EliezerParticipantHashem created everything from energy containing strings of energy, in effect Hashem resides in everything, through the two forms Heaven and Earth created the first day, with the Bing Bang.
April 7, 2021 11:16 am at 11:16 am #1963042catch yourselfParticipantI’ve never heard that story about Rav Moshe before. If it’s true, the quote proves that while extraterrestrial life is unlikely to exist, there is nothing in the Torah that precludes the possibility that it does.
April 7, 2021 11:19 am at 11:19 am #1963036commonsaychelParticipantyup the amout of aliens swamping the the us increasing on a daily basis
April 7, 2021 11:43 am at 11:43 am #1963069Yechi HamelechParticipantThe Torah doesn’t mention it so it doesn’t exist?
Does that mean I don’t exist (because the Torah doesn’t mention me)?!
Does that mean that black holes, icebergs, volcanoes, electricity, and kangaroos don’t exist because the Torah doesn’t mention it?!April 7, 2021 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm #1963072akupermaParticipantAccording to our own sources, pre-dating modern sciences, the multiverse includes many places where intelligent extra-terrestial beings exist. As these extra-terrestials lack American citizenship, if they come to the USA they will be “aliens” (though presumably they are citizens of their home worlds).
April 7, 2021 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1963080commonsense234Participantlook in shoiftim perek hey posuk chuf gimmel with rashi
April 7, 2021 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm #1963091HealthParticipantChoosid – Oh course there are. I saw many videos online.
They even have a place in Nevada, where they come to visit.
I think it’s called Area 57.
They come here because it’s like going to the Zoo.
We are so behind in Technology.
The only thing we Humans have over them – is we have the Torah.
So in Area 57 – the aliens are teaching the Americans how to make planes that are Anti – Gravity.
That’s how they come light years away in 20 minutes.
But I’m sure the Americans can’t understand the technology.
Just like some people Don’t Vax!April 7, 2021 3:34 pm at 3:34 pm #19630945TResidentParticipantHealth: You mean Area 51. You’re probably thinking of Passenger 57, with Wesley Snipes.
April 7, 2021 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #1963132ubiquitinParticipant5T
He’s more likely thinking of the documentaries he has seen online. like ET and Men in Black
April 7, 2021 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #1963135YtParticipantArea 51 holds creatures like hitler, bin laden (btw he’s still alive and the USA is gonna fall so stock up on gas and food)
April 7, 2021 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #1963154HealthParticipant5TR -“Health: You mean Area 51.”
I stand corrected.
But the fact that Governments keep the fact that Aliens exist a secret, is appalling.
Well I take this back.
When more than half the country believes Biden won the election, they can’t even Comprehend simple things.
So when the US Air force shot down an alien plane, the Government was too scared to tell e/o.
They must have thought that maybe they were out to destroy Mankind.
If this was the case, Humans had no way to defend against any attack.
We didn’t even have Nukes at that time.In reality, they came – like we go to Zoos.
Humans are so far behind in intelligence – they pose no threat to these Aliens.
They’re probably one step behind Angels.April 7, 2021 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #1963167☕️coffee addictParticipantWe say בשביל לי נברא העולם if there was no reason for them in regards to us they don’t exist
April 7, 2021 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #1963168rightwriterParticipantHealth, area 57? It’s called area 51. Now go get your facts straight and get the vaccine while your at it! And if you already got the vaccine, get it again.
April 7, 2021 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #1963175Sam KleinParticipantSo where exactly do you place aliens honestly? Somewhere between animals and Demons? Or more between demons and angels versus humans?
April 7, 2021 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1963178CHOOSIDParticipantThey say in Area 51 they have a chulent recipe that all groups of klal Yisroel from chassidim to litvocks to modox to yekis to Sephardim, would like!!
April 7, 2021 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1963181CHOOSIDParticipantArea 51…51 ingredients in the chulent!! I wonder what?(mistama 1 Is beans…no?)
April 8, 2021 8:22 am at 8:22 am #1963305emes nisht shekerParticipantBased on the comments in the Coffee Room, not only are there aliens, but they live among us.
Case closed.
April 8, 2021 11:24 am at 11:24 am #1963349commonsaychelParticipantThere are a bunch of aliens who are day laborers and just jumped into a pick up truck, my cleaning help are aliens who are paying off the smugglers who got them across the Rio Grande
April 8, 2021 11:27 am at 11:27 am #1963376RedlegParticipantNit pick time.
1. Orech Din, something cannot be MORE infinite than something else.
2. Reb Eliezer, I thing you meant BIG bang, not BING bang.April 8, 2021 11:28 am at 11:28 am #1963390Yserbius123ParticipantI have a recording of Rav Moshe Heineman SHLITA where he was asked this question. He quoted a Gemara in Berachos, which names stars that have a beracha because the residents of those stars came to help the Bnei Yisroel in a milchomo, as a raya that there can be aliens.
Lehavdil BChLCh, Rabbi Dr. Norman Lamm wrote an essay discussing this topic at length. It was published in a book called Challenge. He concludes that there are Rishonim who would accept that the existence of intelligent aliens is possible.
April 8, 2021 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm #1963425ubiquitinParticipantRedleg
“something cannot be MORE infinite than something else.”
while we are nit picking that is not quite true
There are degrees of infinity.
For example there are an infinite number of Numbers and there are an infinite number of Even numbers.
yet there are more numbers than Even numbers.Then of course there are an infinite number of numbers BETWEEN any two numbers
The different degrees of inifnity are represented by aleph-0 aleph-1 etc
April 8, 2021 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm #1963426ubiquitinParticipantMy pending post is wrong
There are an equal number of cardinal (counting) numbers. so the number of numbers and even numbers is the same (if you take a list of numbers, double each you now have a lsit of even numbers just as long as original list) .
nonthless there are different llevels of infinity
see “Some infinities are bigger than others” From cosmos as well as the excellent ted ed video on the “hotel infinity” paradox (linked to there)
April 8, 2021 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #1963435Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantubiquitin – there are indeed different infinities and some are bigger than others. It may be a cabbalistic concept introduced by George Cantor and labeled as Alef, mabye the only Hebrew math symbols in the sea of Greek letters [just found out that there is also a Bet[.
Infinity of real numbers (aleph_1) is higher than those of natural numbers (aleph_0). Maybe Georg Cantor introduced these numbers as a tribute to his semi-denied Jewish ancestors. He definitely felt that his theories of infinity relate to G-d.
April 8, 2021 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1963430NonImpeditiRationeCogitationisParticipantYep, Orechdin, there are infinities and then there’re infinities. The great German mathematician, Georg Cantor, created a whole new branch of mathematics called Set Theory that among other things deals with one-to-one correspondence of numbers in different infinite sets. Set Theory is one of the fundamental theories of modern math. There’s even (perhaps) an infinite set of infinite sets that is infinitely larger than the each infinite set contained therein. The problem lies in the word ‘infinity’ and the way we use it without making distinctions between different infinities.
April 8, 2021 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #1963445HealthParticipantYesr123 –“I have a recording of Rav Moshe Heineman SHLITA where he was asked this question”
I remember seeing in the JP years ago, the original publisher wrote a Shailos V’teshuva Sefer.
He asked this question & he answered that there are!April 8, 2021 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #19634525TResidentParticipantI really don’t know why this is even a question. We refer to Hashem as “Master of the Universe”. The Universe consists of untold numbers galaxies, stars and planets. Hashem is the creator of all of them. Why shouldn’t beings exist on other planets? Perhaps they acknowledge the existence of Hashem in their own way? Who is to say that WE aren’t the aliens being pondered by beings on other planets?
Hashem is the Master of the Universe. That means Master of everything.
April 8, 2021 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #1963451Yechi HamelechParticipantChassidus discusses the chakira which asks that if the world is physical and bound by the limitations of nature, then how could there be elements of infinite in it such as numbers that go on forever and space which goes on forever. I don’t remember the conclusions but it is a weighty topic. Everybody knows that when Moshiach comes, the Bli Gvul dimension of elokus will be invested in this physical world, a phenomenon which we can’t really understand without experiencing it ourselves.
It is possible, however, that some reflection of this idea can be found even now in regards to infinite in olam hazeh with numbers etc.April 8, 2021 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #1963585CHOOSIDParticipantI heard that under trump there were less aliens but Biden let’s all the aliens come into america!!
April 8, 2021 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #1963586CHOOSIDParticipantMainly baby aliens who have no where to go
April 9, 2021 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #1963795CHOOSIDParticipantAre aliens green?
April 10, 2021 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #1963915smerelParticipantRav Yaakov Kamestsky said that there may or may not be living creatures (animals) in space but there can not be people like creatures with Bechira because Hashem would not have created people with bechira with giving them some sort of guidance and Zos H’Torah Lo T’hay Muchlefus.
April 11, 2021 6:36 am at 6:36 am #19639415TResidentParticipantChoosid: I’m sorry, but such a Chulent will only exist in the time of Moshiach. Moshiach will be the true Great Uniter, someone whom every Jew from every walk of life will recognize as the Redeemer. The Moshiach is the only one who can create a Chulent that will be delicious to every Jew everywhere. Until then, there will be machlokes over how Chulent should look and taste.
April 11, 2021 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1964064HealthParticipantSmerel -“Rav Yaakov Kamestsky said that there may or may not be living creatures (animals) in space but there can not be people like creatures with Bechira because Hashem would not have created people with bechira with giving them some sort of guidance and Zos H’Torah Lo T’hay Muchlefus.”
I wrote this above:
“Humans are so far behind in intelligence – they pose no threat to these Aliens.
They’re probably one step behind Angels.”The reason that Humans have Bechira is because they aren’t too smart.
Any being that has intelligence, knows that there is a Boray Oolam.
Yes, there are life forms in this Universe that aren’t Malochim or Shaidim.
And they actually come to visit in Area 51 in Nevada.Look I understand why the Government kept it a secret all these years.
Most people can’t believe that there is a Boray Oolam, let alone there’s creations that have intelligence.
Chazal say Niskotu Huh-Oolam, you see more & more lack of Sechel in this World.
How could a person become President when he lost an Election?
I understand countries like China, Russia, etc., where it isn’t a Real election, but the US was a Free country for White people for 200 years!
Hashem won’t allow this Country to continue with the Extreme Liberalism that is taking place after the first impeachment of Trump!April 13, 2021 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #1964561Midwood YidParticipantsorry, no outside links.
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