June 27, 2011 3:10 am at 3:10 am #597656
Today, I went out and bought a knit yarmulke, something I haven’t worn in well over twenty years. The yarmulke I wore until now was leather and dark blue. The one I bought and wore today is black, somewhat larger and knit.
That being said, which of the following statements do you believe is true?
a. It’s a step upward, since the yarmulke is larger
b. It’s a step downward, since leather is better than knit.
c. It’s a step upward, since it’s black, as opposed to blue
d. It doesn’t matter, since you’ll never see a gadol wearing a knit OR leather yarmulke, so you’re doing wrong either way.
e. It doesn’t matter what the yarmulke is made of, what color it is or if it’s bigger or smaller (provided it meets the minimum halachic size), so it’s neither a step upward or downward.
f. You’re a known kofer, so you’re better off not wearing a yarmulke anyway.
It is understood that the choices are not mutually exclusive, so feel free to select more than one choice if you feel you need to.
The WolfJune 27, 2011 3:12 am at 3:12 am #1020362charliehallParticipant
It doesn’t matter. Period.June 27, 2011 3:13 am at 3:13 am #1020363sheinMember
(Not because I believe that but because it was offered as a choice.)June 27, 2011 3:13 am at 3:13 am #1020364popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I don’t know. Why do you think you are doing it?June 27, 2011 3:13 am at 3:13 am #1020365
It doesn’t matter. Period.
That’s one vote for “e.” 🙂
The WolfJune 27, 2011 3:17 am at 3:17 am #1020366
It depends why you switched; as Charlie said, there’s no intrinsic difference. As such, you are better equipped to answer the question than any of us are.June 27, 2011 3:17 am at 3:17 am #1020367
I don’t know. Why do you think you are doing it?
I just wanted a change. I do that with items in my wardrobe from time to time.
There is no major theological shift that caused it.
The WolfJune 27, 2011 3:20 am at 3:20 am #1020368optimusprimeMember
E for the above and Excellent choice.June 27, 2011 3:22 am at 3:22 am #1020369Josh31Participant
It could have been a strong step upwards if you got one that was not black. By doing so you would be saying, “I recognize the miracles that G-d did for the Jewish nation in 1948 and in 1967.”
Black if the official color of Tefilin which show that you recognize the miracles of the Exodus.June 27, 2011 3:24 am at 3:24 am #1020370popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I just wanted a change. I do that with items in my wardrobe from time to time.
There is no major theological shift that caused it.
In that case, I choose: g- It means nothing.
Note that this is different than e. e is that yarmulkes never make a difference. I think they do; I think people use them as a way of identifying themselves. You say you are not, I believe you.
Wearing a Cubs hat may not make you a Cubs fan, but it’s fair to assume a stranger in a Cubs hat is a Cubs fan.June 27, 2011 3:29 am at 3:29 am #1020371
If so, e. (which says the yarmulka, not a yarmulka).June 27, 2011 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1020372☕️coffee addictParticipant
It just shows your not a wolf in cows clothing (leather) anymore 🙂June 27, 2011 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1020373oomisParticipant
Just be happy a yid is wearing a yarmulke and stop assigning levels upward or downward to the material from which it is made.June 27, 2011 4:22 am at 4:22 am #1020374Derech HaMelechMember
I think it depends on what caused you to change your yarmulka. Some people don’t care whether they’re wearing velvet or those cardboard ones they give out at the kosel. To them they aren’t going up or down.
Children that come from Chareidi families that fall to the side C”V may change their yarmulkas as an expression of their falling. Whether you believe there is a difference in yarmulkes or not, in such a case, the kavanah of the child changes the status of the yarmulka.June 27, 2011 5:24 am at 5:24 am #1020375YW Moderator-42Moderator
Blue is the color of the Mets. Black is the color of the Yankees. So it’s a step down.June 27, 2011 5:25 am at 5:25 am #1020376YW Moderator-42Moderator
When I saw the title of this thread I thought it was going too ask how often you change/wash your yarmulkeJune 27, 2011 5:34 am at 5:34 am #1020377Mother in IsraelMember
42, I thought the same.
I vote e.June 27, 2011 5:39 am at 5:39 am #1020378Josh31Participant
Black is the color of the Yankees and Darth Vader.June 27, 2011 5:49 am at 5:49 am #1020379amichaiParticipant
I vote g. doesn’t matter what color, size material, what matters is it gets worn and put to good use always.June 27, 2011 8:35 am at 8:35 am #1020380basket of radishesParticipant
Personally, I go with the knit kippahs today. I get the Large ones and like how they cover my head better. That said, I started with the leather like/leather ones. I bought quite a few and have not worn them in a long time. They were nice, but I have to say they had a slightly greater weight to them and I was conscious that I had some object on my head. I personally like the knit ones because with 2 clips, they never fall off your head. I can not say that the black ones that do not clip on are any better. That is what the yeshiva students do wear and it looks good of course, but that said, they dont clip and I will not be bothered with a kippah falling off my head throughout the day. I can also leave my kippah on when I sleep and I do like the varied assorted types of patterns that suit my feelings or mood of the day. That said, I personally think that for a professional, the knit ones are very nice and it does give the other party something to view as well and perhaps be interested in as you may change them from day to day.
But I like those knit ones alot. I will not suggest that I am going to be aspiring to a yeshivish position in life and I am quite confident that as a Jew who was originally from the reform movement as a child, this is a vast improvement overall in Jewish practice and expression.June 27, 2011 8:50 am at 8:50 am #1020381600 Kilo BearMember
If you want to recognize the miracles of 48 (HUH??) then wear a blue UN soldier cap.
If you want to recognize how the medine thumbed its nose at the miracles of 67, wear a dunce cap or clown hat.
Meanwhile, a black knit yarmulke makes NO statement and is easier to wash than velvet or leather. It also breathes better. I had a very big one once but it didn’t stay on even with clips which was too bad. I don’t know what I did with it; I think it was in an old luggage bag that I threw away.June 27, 2011 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #1020382PosterMember
I thought it was going to be about the new type of Yarmulkas that you get for kids. The ones that you can change the leather strip across it with the kids name on it to differnt colors. Anyone saw that?June 27, 2011 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #1020383cantoresqMember
I switched from leather to knit for the simple reason that the knit yarmulke sits better on my balding pate.June 27, 2011 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #1020384Feif UnParticipant
I switched from velvet to knit because knit is more comfortable.June 27, 2011 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #1020385PosterMember
Wolf, when I read choice F it made me wonder why you think that way about yourself. You mentioned similar lines in other threads. You seem to be a very nice and honest fellow, there is no reason to think of yourself as a Kofer. You are always better off wearing a Yarmulka!June 27, 2011 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1020386shev143Member
Wolf, for some reason I always thought you wore a sheitel.June 27, 2011 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #1020387kollel_wifeParticipant
I know I don’t post here often, but reading your original post, felt you must be unsure in your change, of yourself or how others will view you, if you’re polling others as to how they’d view the change.
YOU have to be happy and comfortable with what you’re wearing, that’s the most important.June 27, 2011 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #1020388twistedParticipant
“mimimun halachic size” If you are aware of the halcoha, and its shiurim, please post the mareh mokom.. Till then, I must assume that yarmulka is a minhag, and there are no shiurim or sub halochos to a minhag.June 27, 2011 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm #1020389minyan galMember
Wolf : you said that your new kippah is larger than the previous one. Does this mean that your bald spot is getting larger? If I have to vote, my vote is also for “E”. A kippah is a kippah is a kippah. There are some very nice ones around and some of them even have “messages”. Many years ago when I worked as a nurse, a new, young and very frum doctor got privileges at the hospital I worked at. The first thing I noticed about him was his kippah – which was knit with a “mem” and “dalad” knit right into it. He met a number of people on his first day, but I was the only one who laughed and said “great kippah”. Perhaps you may be able to find one with “wolfish” theme on it.June 27, 2011 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #1020390yentingyentaParticipant
what was your impetus to change? on a larger scale, why does anyone change they type of yarmulkes? my dad went from smallish leather to larger knit and last year he changed to normal velvet. do guys change to fit in with the crowd?????June 27, 2011 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #1020391
what was your impetus to change?
I just felt it was time for a change. I do that from time to time with my clothing (change the style of tie or shirt that I wear, etc.). There was no theological reason for the change.
Does this mean that your bald spot is getting larger?
It is, but I still have quite a bit of hair. I certainly have more hair that a number of younger men that I know. Any spot that is covered by my yarmulke still has hair.
Till then, I must assume that yarmulka is a minhag, and there are no shiurim or sub halochos to a minhag.
Fair enough. I just assumed there was a minimum size. I could easily be wrong.
The WolfJune 27, 2011 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #1020392
Wolf, when I read choice F it made me wonder why you think that way about yourself. You mentioned similar lines in other threads. You seem to be a very nice and honest fellow, there is no reason to think of yourself as a Kofer.
It depends on the day and mood.
You are always better off wearing a Yarmulka!
Truth be told, even if someone picked “f,” I’d still wear a yarmulke.
The WolfJune 27, 2011 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #1020393gavra_at_workParticipant
E.June 27, 2011 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #1020394minyan galMember
yentingyenta – perhaps men change their kippot because they are bored with what they have. Men don’t have many ways to express their fashion sense – except perhaps for their tie and their kippah. Woman, on the other hand, have many different ways of dressing, depending on the time of day,the place, the season, etc. We can also change hair (or sheitl) styles – length and color. We can be peacocks (even though peacocks are actually males and the females are the boring ones without colored fantails) and men, well menswear can be drab.June 27, 2011 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #1020395deiyezoogerMember
Whats the big deal? I change my kipah so often, as a matter of fact every night I take of my black velvet yarmulka and put on a knitted white one, then in a matter of 6-7 hours I switch back to the black one. Am I bipolar for doing so?June 27, 2011 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #1020396bptParticipant
A, but for a different reason. The size is not the issue. The “larger” knit sets a person apart from the tiny ones, (made by a girlfriend in my teen days).
Not to say the tiny ones are worn by people less frum, but the larger one sets the tone for who you are (or aspire to be)
Known kofer? Nah.June 27, 2011 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #1020397yentingyentaParticipant
MG- i found it very peculiar just because my father changed from knitted to velvet when i was in seminary. and at the same time his navy suit became DARK navy (more like black)and his black hat got a larger brim. thats why i was askingJune 27, 2011 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #1020398oyveykidsthesedaysMember
“a. It’s a step upward, since the yarmulke is larger” – if that increases your yir’as shamayim, then yes.
“b. It’s a step downward, since leather is better than knit.” – if we were discussing tefillin, that would be correct.
“c. It’s a step upward, since it’s black, as opposed to blue” – the purpose of a yarmulka is to strengthen yir’as shamayim. that being the case, blue may actually be more useful for that purpose, because it’s “similar to the sea, which is similar to the sky, which is similar to sapphire, which is similar to the kisei hakavod.”
“d. It doesn’t matter, since you’ll never see a gadol wearing a knit OR leather yarmulke, so you’re doing wrong either way.” – that’s not true. there are gedolim who wear knitted and leather yarmulkas.
“e. It doesn’t matter what the yarmulke is made of, what color it is or if it’s bigger or smaller (provided it meets the minimum halachic size), so it’s neither a step upward or downward.” – it’s very unclear what the “minimum halachic size” is. i think, if it helps your yir’as shamayim, go for it! if it hinders yir’as shamayim, don’t. and if it makes no difference, why not?
“f. You’re a known kofer, so you’re better off not wearing a yarmulke anyway.” – ummm…………. no comment.
😉June 17, 2014 4:26 am at 4:26 am #1020399Patur Aval AssurParticipant
“If you are aware of the halcoha, and its shiurim, please post the mareh mokom.. Till then, I must assume that yarmulka is a minhag, and there are no shiurim or sub halochos to a minhag”
See the very first Teshuva in Igros Moshe.June 17, 2014 6:09 am at 6:09 am #1020400Sam2Participant
PAA: For whatever it’s worth, R’ Moshe Shternbuch in T’shuvos V’hanhagos disagrees with this R’ Moshe and explains why you might need Rov HaRosh. On the other hand, I would have no problem whatsoever just saying R’ Moshe wrote a T’shuvah V’su Lo Midi.June 17, 2014 12:43 pm at 12:43 pm #1020401
No seret for me. Is that foreboding?June 17, 2014 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #1020402world cupMember
If you’re bald the bigger the betterJune 17, 2014 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #1020403Patur Aval AssurParticipant
Don’t worry, I wasn’t saying that R’ Moshe is the be all end all. Just that his teshuva is a good place to start. In fact I saw a sefer ??????? ??????? on Kiddushin where he attempts to answer all of R’ Moshe’s objections to R’ Shlomo Kluger.June 17, 2014 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #1020404👑RebYidd23Participant
It’s a step downward because it’s not blue.June 18, 2014 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #1020406Avram in MDParticipant
How’s the larger knitted black yarmulke been treating you these past two years?
🙂June 18, 2014 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #1020407world cupMember
I wear a magic yarmulkeJune 18, 2014 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #1020408anon1m0usParticipant
a BETTER Poll would have been, would you let your daughter’s marry someone with that yarmulka 🙂 You probablly would get different responses.June 19, 2014 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #1020409blazingkanoeyParticipant
b- You are what you where. F- ? (Perhaps)June 19, 2014 11:18 pm at 11:18 pm #1020410HaLeiViParticipant
What you where on your here.June 20, 2014 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1020411oomisParticipant
Isn’t the ikker that a Jewish man is WEARING a yarmulke, which shows he is Yarei Malka? Except for leather and seude, ALL yarmulkes are knit types (because ALL cloth is woven together threads). I have never understood what the problem was for so many, in seeing a kipah serugah? And btw, my husband and son wear leather or suede ones. Could someone please explain to me in very basic terms upon what the “issur” on crocheted kippot is based? No one has ever answered this question for me with anything except,”It just IS that way…”
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