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  • #601882

    mamashtakah
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    I am genuinely curious – how many Chassidic Rebbes are there? The reason I ask is because I know some of the large Chasidic groups – Satmar, Belz, Bobobv, Nikolsburg, Vishnitz, etc. Yet I read notices sometimes here on YWN about “the XYZ Rebbe” is ill and people should daven for him, when I’ve never heard of the group. Are there really that many small Chasidic groups? Are they all inter-related?

    And,a related question – are the Yerushalimi groups like Toldos Aharon and Toldos Avraham Yitzchak considered Chasidic?

    #849685

    kingdavid
    Participant

    Here you go…

    A

    Alesk (from Olesko, Ukraine)

    Anipoli (from Annopol, Ukraine)

    Avritch (from Ovruch, Ukraine)

    B

    Baitch (from Biecz, Poland)

    Bender (from Bender, Moldova)

    Bertch (from Bircza, Poland)

    Bia?ystok (from Bia?ystok)

    Bialobrzeg (from Bia?obrzegi, Poland)

    Bilgoray (from Bi?goraj, Poland)

    Binding (From Elbing/Elbl?g, Poland)

    Bluzhev (from B?a?owa, Poland)

    Bikovsk (from Bikofsk)

    Bohush (from Bohushi, Romania)

    Bonia

    Boslover

    Botoshan (from Boto?ani, Romania)

    Breslev from Uman

    Brod (from Brody, Ukraine)

    Brisdovitz (from Berezdivtsi, Ukraine)

    Bucharest (from Bucure?ti, Romania)

    Burshtin (from Burshtyn, Ukraine)

    C

    Chabad-Bobroisk (from Bobrujsk, Belarus)

    Chabad-Kapust

    Chabad-Liadi

    Chabad-Nezhin

    Chabad-Strashelye

    Chadusha

    Chernovitz (from Chernivtsi)

    Cieszanow

    Czortkow (from Chortkiv)

    Chust (from Khust)

    Cleveland

    D

    Deyzh (from Dej, Romania)

    Debrecen (from Debrecen)

    Dobromil (from Dobromyl, Ukraine)

    Dombrova (from D?browa Tarnowska, Poland)

    Drubitsh (from Drohobych, Poland)

    Dzikov (from Tarnobrzeg, Poland)

    E

    Erlau (from Eger/Erlau, Hungary)

    Etched (from Nagyecsed, Hungary)

    F

    Faltichan (from F?lticeni, Romania)

    Frankfurt

    G

    Gorlitz (from Gorlice, Poland)

    Gostynin (from Gostynin, Poland)

    Gvodzitz (from Hvizdets)

    H

    Hornsteipel (from Hornostaypil’, near Chernobyl)

    Huvniv (from Hivniv, Ukraine)

    Husiatyn

    K

    Kaminka (from Kamianka-Buzka, Ukraine)

    Kaminetz

    Kunskvola (from Ko?skowola, Poland)

    Karlihaz

    Kashou

    Kerestir (from Bodrogkeresztur, Hungary)

    Khentshin (from Ch?ciny, Poland)

    Kielce (from Kielce, Poland)

    Kojdanov (from Koidanova, Belarus)

    Komarno (from Komarno, Ukraine)

    Kopyczynitz (from Kopychyntsi, Ukraine)

    Korets (from Korets, Ukraine)

    Koson (from Koson, Ukraine)

    Kosov (from Kosiv, Ukraine)

    Kotsk (from Kock, Poland)

    Kozlov

    Kozhnitz (from Kozienice, Poland)

    Krasna

    Krula

    Kutna (Hasidic dynasty)

    Kuzmir (from Kazimierz Dolny, near Warsaw)

    L

    ?a?cut (from ?a?cut, Poland)

    Lebina

    Lechovitch (from Lyakhavichy, Belarus)

    Leipnik (from Leipnik, Czech Republic)

    Leipzig

    Linitz

    Liske

    Lizhensk (from Le?ajsk, Poland)

    Leva

    Liozna

    Lublin (from Lublin, Poland)

    Lutsk (from Lutsk, Ukraine)

    M

    Madyer

    Malachim

    Margareten (from Marghita, Romania)

    Mattersdorf (from Mattersburg, Austria)

    Mezhbizh (from Medzhybizh), Ukraine; Also see Apter Rov

    Mishkoltz (from Miskolc, Hungary)

    Mogelnitz (from Mogielnica, Poland)

    Manestrishtze

    N

    Nadvorna

    Narol

    Nadferli

    Neshchiz (from Nesukhoyezhe, Ukraine)

    Nikolsburg[disambiguation needed ] (from Mikulov/Nikolsburg)

    Nitra (from Nitra/Nyitra)

    O

    Ostrof

    P

    Pashkan (from Pa?cani, Romania)

    Philadelphia (from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)

    Piasetzne

    Pilts (from Pilica[disambiguation needed ])

    Pilzno

    Pinsk (named for Pinsk, Belarus)

    Pistin

    Pishkivitcha

    Pittsburgh (from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)

    Polonoye (from Polonne (Polonnoye), Volhynia)

    Premishlan (from Peremyshliany, Ukraine)

    Pshemishl (from Przemy?l, Poland)

    Pshevorsk (from Przeworsk, Poland)

    Pshiskhe (from Przysucha, Poland)

    R

    Radomsk (from Radomsko, Poland)

    Radorztz

    Radoshitz (from Radoszyce, Poland)

    Radvil (from Radyvyliv, Ukraine)

    Ribnitz (from Rybnitsa, Moldova or Transnistria)

    Roman (from Roman, Romania)

    Ropshitz (from Ropczyce, Poland)

    Ruzhin (from Ruzhyn, Ukraine)

    S

    Sadovna (from Sadowne, Poland)

    Sambur (from Sambir, Ukraine)

    Sadigura (from Sadhora, Ukraine)

    Sanz (from Nowy S?cz, Poland)

    Serdahel (from Szerdahely)

    Sassov (from Sasiv, Ukraine)

    Savran

    Senta Serbia

    Seret (from Siret, Romania)

    Shedlitz (from Siedlce, Poland)

    Shepetivka from Shepetivka, Ukraine

    Shotz (from Suceava, Romania)

    Shidlovtza (from Szyd?owiec, Poland)

    Shineva (from Sieniawa, Poland)

    Shpikov (from Shpykiv, Ukraine)

    Shpola (from Shpola, Ukraine)

    Shtefanesht (from ?tef?ne?ti, Romania)

    Sochatchov (from Sochaczew, Poland)

    Stanislov (from Stanyslaviv, Ukraine)

    Stepan (from Stepan, Ukraine)

    Stichin (from Szczucin, Poland)

    Stretin (from Stratin, Ukraine)

    Strizhov

    Sudilkov (from Sudylkiv, Ukraine)

    Sulitz (from Suli?a, Romania)

    T

    Tenka (from Hungary?)

    Tartakov (from Tartakiv, Ukraine)

    Temishvar (from Timi?oara, Romania)

    Tolna (from Talne, Ukraine)

    Toldos Tzvi

    Toltchva (from Tolcsva, Hungary)

    Trisk (from Turiisk, Ukraine)

    Tshakova (from Szczakowa, Poland)

    Tzehlim (from Deutschkreutz, Austria)

    U

    Unsdorf

    Ushpitzin (from O?wi?cim, Poland)

    V

    Vasloi (from Vaslui, Romania)

    Vien (Rabbinical dynasty) (from Wien/Vienna)

    Voidislav (from Wodzis?aw, Poland)

    Volova (from Mizhhirya, Ukraine)

    Vorka from Warka, Poland

    Vulkan

    Y

    Yeruslav (from Jaros?aw, Poland)

    Yoka

    Z

    Zablitov (Zabolotiv, Ukraine)

    Zbarz (from Zbarazh, Ukraine)

    Zhitomir (from Zhytomyr)

    Zibov

    Zidichov

    Zinkov

    Zlatipol (from Zlatopol)

    Zlotchov (from Zolochiv)

    Zolozitz

    Zychlin

    #849686

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    That list is inaccurate

    Some groups no longer exist due to the holocaust and some (SANZ) have split into several groups. Sanz is now Bobover, Klausenberg Israel, Klausenberg USA , Sanz-Gribov , and Sanz-Gorlitz

    #849687

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Boston. Moshulu. Glogov. Tomashov. The list is probably as long as the list of towns and villages in all countries where chassidus and chassidim are found.

    #849688

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Gimmee a break. You just looked up a list of eastern european towns and copied and pasted. Most of those towns never had a Jew besides the “Moshke.”

    #849689

    a mamin
    Participant

    WOW!!! K.A.H. but you left out quite a bit that I can think of….

    #849690

    ED IT OR
    Participant

    woo what a list! I’m a misnagdir’r chossid!

    #849691

    musser zoger
    Participant

    Popa-Gimmee a break. You just looked up a list of eastern european towns and copied and pasted. Most of those towns never had a Jew besides the “Moshke.”

    I don’t think Cleveland, Toldos Tzvi,Chabad, etc. are towns in Eastern Europe. Just sayin’

    #849692

    sushee
    Member

    The Yerushalmi’s are Perushim (i.e. Litvish). Even though they wear shtraimels, vaise zuken, and white yarmulkas.

    #849693

    midwesterner
    Participant

    I thought Bender was from Far Rockaway! (That’s about as far as I had patience to read.)

    #849694

    musser zoger
    Participant

    Also left out the Krummer Rebbe, the Treifer Rebbe, the Chazzer Rebbe and the mishuginer Rebbe. Very choshuve dynasties.

    #849695

    midwesterner
    Participant

    Frankfurt and Kamenetz as Chssidic Rebbes?

    Belz, Bobov, Satmar, Stolin, Ger, Munkacz, Skver, Vizhnitz, comprise 90% of today’s chassidim, and they’re not there.

    What kind of joke is this list?

    #849696

    apushatayid
    Participant

    A pretty bad one.

    #849697

    Tora Yid
    Member

    Between the US, EY, and Europe, Satmar has over 200,000 Chasidim.

    #849698

    yungerman1
    Participant

    You forgot to mention Spinka Rebbbe, and the Spinka Rebbe, and the Spinka Rebbe etc…

    #849699

    nfgo3
    Member

    To kingdavid:

    1. Did you (i) pull this list out of your head, in alphabetical order, or (ii) find this list in a specific source? And if (ii) is the case, why would you not identify it so that the rest of us could benefit from it?

    2. You forgot the Satmar. I suggest you stay out of Williamsburgh and Kiryas Joel.

    #849700

    midwesterner
    Participant

    Well just in my list above, there are Bobov, Satmar, and Skver have 2 rebbes each, and Vizhnitz has 3. And there aren’t any Lubavitcher Rebbes today, and Dovid Hamelech’s list has 5 Chabads.

    #849701

    webster
    Member

    sushe- true, the Perushim are a non-Hasidic Yerushalmi group (descendents of the talmidim of the Gaon of Vilna), however not all Yerushalmim are Perushim. Many are in fact Hasidim including Toldos Aharon and Toldos Avrohom Yitzchok.

    #849702

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    musser zoger – the Michigener Rebbe, isn’t he from Detroit?

    #849703

    musser zoger
    Participant

    Here is david hamelech’s source. see bottom of page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hasidic_dynasties

    #849705

    I sent this list to someone, and he asked:

    What happened to Belz, Bobov, Square, and Visnitz which are major chasidus?

    #849706

    cherrybim
    Participant

    It’s interesting that the original Rebbe in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania was not called the Pittsburger Rebbe. His grandson who was born in Newark, NJ and lives in Ashdod, Israel has given himself the title of the Pittsburger Rebbe. His father was a Rebbe in Newark and lived in Pittsburgh briefly after the death of the original Rebbe; before relocating to Ashdod. The vast majority of Rebbes in the USA today are Yankees.

    #849707

    moi aussi
    Member

    Didn’t see Kretchnif and Machnovka on the list.

    #849708

    What a list!

    Allow me to go off on a tangent- I envy them all! Theyve got a tiny fraction of 30ish year old girls going through Gehenom in singledom, as the Litvishe do.

    Whatever the Rebbes are doing in that area, theyre doing it right! Without the help of Nasi. They dont need it.

    #849709

    yungerman1
    Participant

    Falsha Rebbe – not be confused with the Faltishaner Rebbe

    Flatbushe Rebbe- not to be confused with the Buhusher Rebbe

    Paya Rebbe

    Yami Roov

    #849710

    Shticky Guy
    Participant

    You forgot to mention the Spinka Rebbbe, and the Spinka Rebbe, and the Spinka Rebbe

    Lol. The story goes that at a recent Spinka Rebbe’s son’s chasuna they had to hire a bus and a minivan to get there… the bus for all the Spinka Rebbes and the minivan for all their chassidim… Truth is there are HUNDREDS of rebbes. Look in any of the weekly picture magazines to find names that are useful to be used during a vision test. But what’s the difference. What is a name already?

    #849711

    And,a related question – are the Yerushalimi groups like Toldos Aharon and Toldos Avraham Yitzchak considered Chasidic?

    Those 2 groups happen to be chassidic. They both split from Shomrei Emunim. They would be Yerushalmi Chassidim. However, there are also

    “Litvishe” Yerushalmis that are called Perushim. The original Perushim were talmidim of the Vilna Gaon who moved to E”Y.

    #849712

    squeak
    Participant

    Simple answer. If you are chassidish then there is 1 Rebbe. If you are not, there are 0.

    Ask an atheist how many gods there are. Ask a pagan. Ask a jew. QED

    #849713

    squeak
    Participant

    Next question.. how many Avinu Malkeinus are there?

    #849714

    C

    Chabad-Bobroisk (from Bobrujsk, Belarus)

    Chabad-Kapust

    Chabad-Liadi

    Chabad-Nezhin

    Chabad-Strashelye

    Chadusha

    Chernovitz (from Chernivtsi)

    Cieszanow

    Czortkow (from Chortkiv)

    Chust (from Khust)

    Cleveland

    CREEDMOOR (from Creedmoor Psychiatric Center in Queens, NY)

    The Boirye Oilamois meCreedmoor, so known because he actually creates Chassidim with addresses and Social Security numbers, who are accepted by the most prestigious social welfare agencies and insurance firms throughout the world, is one of the most under the influence Rebbes of today!

    In all seriousness, that Wikipedia list is too detailed as it includes many chassidis’n that are long gone. Most of them disappeared during the churban, and most of their followers found their way to a larger chassidis from the same source (ie the Kotzker offshoots to Ger, Ujhil to Satmar, the Chabad offshoots back to Lubavitch, etc. Skvere has no one from Skvira, Ukraine left, and Satmar was a new chassidis before the war.) At least two errors – Nitra and Kashoi are not chassidish.

    #849715

    Mishkoltz (from Miskolc, Hungary)

    Nikolsburg[disambiguation needed ] (from Mikulov/Nikolsburg)

    Nope :). Mishkoltz from Petah Tikva and Nikolsburg from Monsey and Boro Park. There never was a Chassidus in Mishkoltz. The Mishkoltzer Rebbe in Petah Tikva, who does great work and is very sincere, may be descended from a pre-war official rov of Mishkoltz, but he is the first Rebbe in his family tree.

    The Nikolsburger Rebbes just took the name because they may be descendants of Reb Shmelke. However, there was no Nikolsburger Chassidus any more than there was a Mezhibuzher or Mezritcher Chassidus (those may exist today too for all I know).

    #849716

    moi aussi
    Member

    The Boyaner Rebbe wasn’t mentioned yet, he’s marrying off his daughter on Feb 14 (Valentine’s day).

    #849717

    The original poster posted only the section of the Wiki list that pertains to extinct or tiny chassidus’n. The first parts of the list include all of the major ones, except Creedmoor. There WAS an article on Chassidus Creedmoor in Wikipedia for almost 18 months until a moiser called attention to it.

    #849718

    OnlyTheTruth
    Member

    It’s a true Story that happened many years a go. When smoking at Chasunah’s was more popular. A Rebbe was sitting at the head table of a wedding of the Daizsha family. the Rebbe said Daizsha Rebbe “Ir kent mir geben a Cigeretel?” Five hands with cigerets come flying his way.

    #849719

    bygirl93
    Member

    first of all you forgot Rachminstirske (the spelling of it is hard!)and thank you for the mention of Manestrishtze! yes! it does exist! it is real! second of all just wanted to point out that all chasidus stems from the baal shem tov! and the BS”T is a direct descendant of david hamelech- so its apropo that king david posted the list- (i couldnt resist that point :-))

    #849720

    Rachmistrivke :). That is a Twersky family Chassidus, from Reb Mottel Chernobyler. The other one I don’t know at all.

    Skvere also comes from Chernobyl. I don’t know if Lipa is really still part of Skvere, but his clothing comes right from Chernobyl – AFTER the nuclear accident!

    The Hungarian kanoim – Dushinsky, Toldos Aharon, Satmar, Pupa, Tosh and Erloi – are not really tied into the Baal Shem Tov (Satmar is connected to other Chassidus by marriage more than anything). They are closer to the Chasam Soifer in their hashkofoh, and the levush is more a way of showing they are sticking with the old ways.

    #849721

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    The Hungarian kanoim – Dushinsky, Toldos Aharon, Satmar, Pupa, Tosh and Erloi – are not really tied into the Baal Shem Tov (Satmar is connected to other Chassidus by marriage more than anything). They are closer to the Chasam Soifer in their hashkofoh, and the levush is more a way of showing they are sticking with the old ways.

    He said popa. Look everyone, he said popa. I am popa.

    #849722

    smartcookie
    Member

    No he didn’t. He said Pupa. You don’t want people to call you PUPA, do you?

    #849723

    147
    Participant

    KingDavid left out:-

    Bobov 48

    Bobov 45

    Satmar Aharon

    Satmar Nehemiah

    #849724

    yaakov doe
    Participant

    There is an infinite number of Chassidish Rebbes since almost every Rebbe’s son wants his own title. Kind of like the stars in the sky or grains of sand. There are even mutliples with the same title ie Satmar, Spinka, Bostoner.

    #849725

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Who’s Satmar Nechemiah? Name sounds Tzioini

    #849726

    haha Popa

    147 – Satmar Nehemia? The 2 factions are the Aroinim (Rav Aron) and the Zalim (Rav Zalman Leib).

    #849728

    koillel101
    Member

    i think there are many that are only known to certain groups of people-like the people that daven in that shteibel

    #849729

    That is true, Koillel. There are probably rabbonim with shtiblach and Chassidishe malbishim who are really chassidim of a major Chassidus but qualify as the Rebbes of some place long gone. There must be a shtibel with a Rebbe on every block of BP and even more in EY. The Stanislaver Rebbe is a mohel in London; I do not know that he has any Chassidim in the traditional sense although his shul is popular and he is a very well-respected mohel.

    If you really want to give Chassidus a try, your best bet is Creedmoor :). Barring that, and if you don’t want Chabad or Breslov, I would look for a smaller, less established Chassidus that is open, like Mishkoltz or Pittsburgh in EY and I guess Boston or Reb Michel Twersky or perhaps Biala (Boro Park) in the US. The big ones, and the ones like Tosh where the Rebbe is aging, are just full of problems, ranging from corrupt gabboim and use of moisdos scams to succession fights.

    If you want a brocho from a Rebbe, the best source now is probably not a Chassidishe rebbe but rather Rabbi David Abouhasira in Nahariya (grandson of Baba Sali ZYA). A brocho from the Tosh Rebbe is very worthwhile, but call ahead before you go up to Quebec especially in the winter; make sure the Rebbe is available. I do not know if the Amshinover Rebbe in EY gives brochos.

    I am of course the Creedmoorer Rebbe’s gabbai and I receive all requests and send out all invoices for brochos.

    #849730

    147
    Participant

    Who is better off:- Bobov & Satmar with 2 rebbes vying for the same position? or Lubavitch & Breslow with zero living Rebbes?

    #849731

    cherrybim
    Participant

    Everyone needs a Rebbe with a warm hand and smile.

    #849732

    moi aussi
    Member

    Novominsker Rebbe – Rabbi Yaakov Perlow

    #849734

    Does the Novominsker even wear Chassidishe levush? I have never seen a picture of him wearing anything any other rov on the Moetzes doesn’t wear. He certainly is a godol, but he seems to act as any Litvishe rosh yeshiva does. He does not have any Chassidim in the tradtional sense from what I recall.

    #849735

    Tora Yid
    Member

    Novominsk has a big Yeshiva. The Rebbe wears a shtraimel. He is a talmid of Yeshiva Chaim Berlin.

    #849736

    Tora Yid
    Member

    What does “Admor” stand for? And who uses that title other than Rebbes? (I noticed some Sefardishe Rabbonim also being referred to as Admor.)

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