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    I am looking into the option of out of town Kollelim.
    Having learnt in Kollel for a number of years/ with a growing family things are getting tighter.
    I have heard that there are a number of out of town chassidishe kollelim in various locations.
    Does anyone know anything more about them?
    How does it work? For a chassisidhe family?
    Why aren’t more people doing this?


    Baltimore has had a Chassidishe Kollel for 8 years. The Mosdos have 150 children bli ayin hora in a daycare (licensed with vouchers), preschool, girls school and cheder up to Kittah Vuv. Chassidishe shechita, solid Eruv and affordable housing. 50 shuls in town including Kedushas Yisroel and the Chassidishe Kollel run by Rav Amrom Jungreis who is the Domet”z in Netai Gavriel Beis Din. They have had over 100 families come for Shabbos and a few dozen are actively looking to buy houses and to move.


    Did you mean 150 kids altogether or boys and girls?
    What do you mean by vouchers? Daycare or full elementary?
    What happens after kittah vuv?
    Did you say that they have 100 families in the kollel?!


    Los Angeles has a chassidishe kollel, though I don’t know how people deal with the cost of living there.

    Veitzen – Chicago also has a chassidishe kollel.

    Yabia Omer

    What makes a kollel chassidish?


    150 children altogether throughout the Mosdos. The Kollel has about 20 full time learning Yungeleit. Google Chassidish Baltimore or Baltimore Chassidish Kollel. There are tons of articles and even ongoing programs to incentivize people to move. The Mosdos add a grade every year as the community grows. And there are tons of Chassidim like Rabbi Eichenstein, Rabbi Taub and others who have sent to local Mosdos before the Kollel opened and their kids are 100% Chassidish.


    Baltimore has a full preschool and full girls school and a real cheder.
    Vouchers for daycare pay for the daycare costs if the mother works or is in school or otherwise qualifies.


    YO a Chassidishe Kollel has Chassidishe Yungeleit and learns mainly halacha lemaaseh to my understanding. These are serious learning Yungeleit


    There are 16 pages of hock and information on ivelt with this title

    התיישבות פון חסידישע משפחות אין באלטימאר, מערילענד


    Chicago has two Chassidishe Kollelim, one affiliated with Zidichov, and the other with Veitzen. Also Detroit has one, in addition to the ones listed above.


    The reason why these kollelem are not in high demand, is because the participant lose out the close affiliation of their respective chassidus and it’s network.

    meir G

    mb10- if you are chassidish, and family growing its time to move on to next stage of life not move out tand kick the can down the road… the out of town kollel model is generally not sustainable for many reasons , these kollelim with the best of intentions need to run 20 ads to get one guy to move out there, chicago offers green cards …
    out of town communities are wonderful for those that are there already, but why would you leave NY where you have yiddishkeit & convience times 50..
    as far as cost of living “if ” you are chjassidish and belong to a kehilla financialy its not cheaper to be out of town
    even baltimore who has a nadvan carrying the financial burden almost fell apart during covid and is not clear what the long term …


    Detroit It’s nice. They have cheap housing

    Chicago is nice too

    Both of them you need to get on a plane to reach from new york

    Is same with florida and phoenix

    Baltimore is affordable and three hours away by car


    Meir G

    You are 100% wrong. The QUALITY of life out of town is amazing and anyone who left NY to come to Baltimore as an example raves about the trees, grass, kess traffic, healthy living, excellent mosdos etc etc. There is Chassidishe shechita and cholov Yisroel milk and an eruv everyone holds by.


    And in Baltimore the Kollel is growing, the Mosdos are growing, working baalei batim are moving to town and housing is cheap. It’s the next Lakewood. Get in on the ground floor!!


    Midwesterner: I heard very nice things about the Zidichov Kollel you mentioned. I think they call themselves The Chicago Chassidishe Kollel.
    Do you (or anyone.) know more?


    Baltimore Maven: You sound very excited about the Baltimore Kollel!
    But you are totally right about the general idea.

    With half a dozen such Kollelim spread out in various cities (and more of them opening every few years.) there must be close to 100 families doing this.
    These kollelim are around for more than a decade, and this is growing phenomenon.

    I think the main draw is that when people reach a point (or see themselves in the near future reaching it.) where they will not be able to continue full time learning, these Kollelim provide a solid option of extending their Kollel years by say a good five years+.
    Now that is a tremendous gain even without looking at it as a long term plan.
    Not sure what Meir G. is talking about kicking cans down the road.

    With so many people doing this, it obviously WORKS even without the 50 conveniences of in town.
    Or maybe people enjoy the very fact that there AREN’T the 50 thousand noise, distractions, being one in million where you make no difference. Instead enjoying the calmer quieter relaxed accepting out of town lifestyle.

    The bottom line is that if one can get a good five+ years of serious full time learning while getting hefty financial support, now that is a great deal, and can be a kinyan for life.


    mb10-I’ve been out of Chicago for a number of years so it could be it changed. But I was a around when the Zidichov Kollel started so I know a little bit about it.
    It’s a halacha Kollel.They learn Halacha in depth and Halacha l’maaseh. As I said it could be it changed, but they chose yungerleit that were chassidish but were open to the litvish culture (ex: speak english fluently) as the shul has chassidish and litvish mispallelim so they wanted everyone to feel comfortable with them and so that they’ll be able to learn with baalebatim.

    meir G

    mb10 & baltimore maven – i too am a maven and follow this closely
    most of the yungeleit in out of town kollelim are very young & didnt come with 5 kids , and the handful of these kollelim have hardly grown there is no growing treend. detroit , chicago…they had open houses and recruiting…with hardly any success so who is it for … someone who/ or his wife doesnt like ny , or a deep need to feel counted. no one goes just for ” the hefty gelt”, baltimore is a bit diff than the others its closer and of course baltimore is an ir ve’am beyisroel but baltimore has almost nothing to do with the kollel & the kollel has almost nothing to do with baltimore its like a bungalow colony- as an example they dont even daven steadily at the 2 chassidsh shuls in baltimore ( ofcourse everyone is polite & helpful) but its a dif say it nicely they tolerate each other .secondly baltimore success is only because of the one tzadik who holds out the whole fort
    finally as far as kicking the can down the road.. in todays world a yid cannot enter the workforce at 35 when you need a 100 plus to start years ago you had some goyim & a shmatte factory or diamonds..things have changed , dont take my word ask the yungeleit that are there if u should do it & put your own negios on the side ain chochom kbaal nisayon


    Living in Chicago I am well familiar with both chasidish kollelim.
    Both are extremely chasuv places with excellent yungeleit, very pleasant and geshmak.

    The Veitzener Kollel is more the williamsburg type, led by R Heshy Unger.
    They have about 10 excellent yungeleit.
    They recently finished a cycle where the yungeleit were tested on all of Hilchos Shabbos by leading Rabbonim. They really knew the material VERY well.
    They recently got a whole new group of yungeleit for the next group.
    I think even more are slated to join.

    Then there is the Chicago Chassidishe Kollel (Zidichov) which is also an excellent place with very chasuveh yungeleit. They have 12 yungeleit, Led by R Zalman Leib Eichenstein.
    They are more the regular chasidish style and are a little more diverse.
    Very gashmake yungeleit.
    They recently finnished Hilchis Basar Bchalav and Taaruvos, and were farhered as well.

    Both Kollelim are flourishing mekomos shel torah, with new families constantly joining.

    Th Chicago Chassidishe Kollel has produced chashuv talmidei chachamim who are well respected in the community.
    They have a yungerman who now gives a daily shiur in hilchos shabbos at yeshiva kesser yona, another one is a respected maggid shiur at the famous Telze yeshiva and is extremely well liked, another one gives the chumash b’iyun shiur for 8th grade at the veitzener cheder, another one recently moved to peterson park and is known to know hilchos shabbos niddah basar bchalav and taaruvos cold.

    I am well acquainted with many of these yungeleit who are very happy and feel extremely comfortable.
    Some even bought houses.

    All in all I think NB10 is 100% right.
    These places really give yungeleit the opprotunity to extend their full time learning years by a good 5-6 years, which even if not a long term plan does give them great value that accompanies them even when they move on.


    The Chassidishe Kollel and kehillah have integrated nicely. Everyone in Baltimore loves and appreciates the Chassidim. They do daven everywhere but that shows they have integrated. There are at least 4 Chasssidishe shuls like Taubs Eichenstein Kedushas Yisroel Sternhills and a fee other nusach sefard shul as well. least two of the Kollel Yungeleit give shiurim at other shuls in the community and upcoming Lag BaOmer bonfire gets hundreds of attendees across the spectrum.

    well informed

    Although I am a proud in towner, I have a couple of relatives who have done this oot chasidish kollel thing
    They were all extremely happy and have transitioned BEAUTIFULY when moving on.
    I have a nephew who learns in the chicago chasidish kollel that raves about the place. He and his family LOVE the place.

    I think think this is one of the BEST phenomenon’s in the last 10 years, largely gone unnoticed by many.
    Apparently this is a growing trend as more of these places keep opening every few years. The list keeps growing.
    While the old ones are still managing to keep growing, plus proving the long term financial stability of such a model despite early skepticism.


    A big question is, how does it work with chinuch for the children?
    Chicago,Detroit,LA,Baltimore are not boro park or monsey…
    The question is how does it work with schools, and also the general enviroment.
    Do kids suffer by being visibly differant than their friends/surroundings?


    Can’t speak for every city since I am only in Chicago, but i believe this is true in many places.
    Generaly people are very happy and feel very comfortable.

    (In Chicago you have the “Veitzener Cheder” that is run by R’ Moshe Yossel Unger-The Veitzener Rav of Chicago. The cheder is very yeshivish and has a presense of chassidishe boys as well. They do have a couple chassidishe rebbes. They try to incorporate yiddish as well.)

    One of the benefits of living out of town is that the general atmosphere is very accepting (and relaxed), and there is more room for people to be unique.
    The saying goes that chinuch is at home. If children grow up in a healthy home they can feel comfortable doing things different than some of their friends, or have different standards about different things.

    One might say that that is one of the major pluses of the out of town atmosphere.
    To be able to grow up with a healthy and confident feeling about what you/your family does. (And not just because everyone is doing it.)

    It might be hard for an in-towner to visualize, but chassidishe boys out of town do grow up with a very healthy feeling about who they are and what they do.

    The bottom line is that from what I know people are happy.


    I heard from R Moshe Yosef Unger-The Veitzener Rav of Chicago, that before moving to Chicago 40 years ago to found the Veitzener, he consulted with his Rebbe, R Shlomo of Bobbov, conveying his concerns about his childrens chinuch. (in a city that was 40 steps behind what Chicago has become today.)

    R’ Shlomo told him like this;
    1. Chinuch is at home.
    2. Children out of town grow up healthier than in town. (OUCH… No offense intended..)
    He said, look at your shvers kids and you will see that clearly.
    With that he gave him his warm bracha.

    40 years later one can clearly see the truth in his wise words.
    Children do grow up with a very healthy feeling about what they do.
    And no it does not impact the standards of their yiddishkeit. (Have not found the person yet.)
    To the contrary, these kids have a BIGGER bren for their respective values, for those who know.


    Is there some local support network for the OOT Kollel Yungerleit to transition out of kollel after several years when they are ready to enter the work force part or full time or do they gnerally move back to the major NY/NJ areas once they leave kollel??


    Dear Gadol,

    It depends on the locale. If the goal is to have a Kollel to build the Community, then the answer is definitely yes. If the Kollel is a self contained idea, then usually not.


    Dear Chicago,

    Of course, everyone knows that. What’s the chiddush?


    Thank you ChicagoBenTorah.
    I have heard the same.

    n0mesorah: apparently not everyone is aware.


    What happens after kitta vav?
    For how many years is it stuck by kitta vav?
    What will happen if Kollel guys leave? will it be by kitta daled? will there be 5 kids in a class versus the ten now?


    Anyone know where @BaltimoreMaven disappeared to?


    GadolHadorah: There are many opportunities for those seeking to transition in to the workforce.
    R Yaakov Kamenetzky used to say that an out of town kollel is already a “halbe shtele”.

    My understanding is, that out of town, since there isn’t usually a quarter of a million people vying for every position, one has more of a chance to shine and make a difference.
    (Without the need to be the son of a major gvir.)

    Still, since many of these yungeleit only come for the learning opportunity, many will choose to move back afterwards.


    ChicagoBenTorah: Whats the matzav in Chicago with heimishe hechsherim/products? Prices?


    You have the Jewel Osco supermarket where most people shop.
    They carry all heimishe products.
    Then there is Kol Tuv grocery which also carries all heimish brands.
    (There is also Sara’s Tent and also the Kosher section at Marioanos. But less people shop there.)
    In general you can almost anything here.
    Prices? I think it is a drop more expensive than in NY but not crazy. You could find the same prices in many NY stores.

    Otherwise (almost) all stores in Chicago carry the hechsher of the CRC (Chicago Rabbinical Council).

    In general out of town you will not have the vast selection and conveniences of in town but Chicago is still not a village.
    Many people enjoy the very fact of a lifestyle that is a little more simple.


    How does it work with jobs for the wives?


    From what I know Kollel wives don’t have a problem at all finding jobs. (Here in Chicago.)
    Some teach in the local schools. I think there is a strong demand for that.
    Others work in local businesses.

    (There was one who got a high level job at a big frum nursing home company here, and when they moved back she even opened an office for that company back in NY!)

    Others choose not to work. Something probably not possible for Kollel families in-town.

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