November 12, 2017 10:58 am at 10:58 am #1401329BenYishaiParticipant
Does anyone know anything about the reliability of the Cherry K Vaad Hakashruth in Cherry Hill, NJ?November 13, 2017 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #1402244
Why dont you call them up ask them the appropriate questions, to see if the answers satisfy the standard you keep for yourself.November 14, 2017 12:46 am at 12:46 am #1402517
He didn’t ask about standards, he asked about reliability.November 14, 2017 9:25 am at 9:25 am #1402556feivelParticipant
recommended by Rabbi Eliezer Eidlitz of Kosher QuestNovember 14, 2017 11:02 am at 11:02 am #1402576GadolhadorahParticipant
Its very difficult to “call up” a local vaad or hashgacha agency and “ask them” about their reliability….what are they going to tell you.. “Of course, our mashgichim are big talmeidei chachamim and yirei shamayim and are able to stay awake most of the time to assure that no treifus walks through the door…”. Your best bet is to find some local chassideshe hashgacha, if one if available, and either patronize their establishments or ask them to opine on any others. Some will disagree, but in the large percentage of cases, you can’t go wrong with chassideshe hashgacha.November 14, 2017 11:03 am at 11:03 am #1402607slominerParticipant
What list of hashgachos can be relied upon as all being reliable hashgachos? cRc puts together such a list and feivel mentioned Kosher Quest. Are both their lists reliable as to only listing reliable hashgachos? Any other such lists?November 14, 2017 11:03 am at 11:03 am #1402628
“He didn’t ask about standards, he asked about reliability.”
OK. they reliably adhere to their standards.
Will you now eat there?November 14, 2017 11:22 am at 11:22 am #1402726MenoParticipant
Your best bet is to find some local chassideshe hashgacha
In Cherry Hill?November 14, 2017 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #1403750
Your best bet is to call the certifying agency, ask them what their standards are and then, ask them how they ensure those standards are being met.November 14, 2017 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #1403764JosephParticipant
“ask them how they ensure those standards are being met”
How would you know whether they’re actually ensuring it as they state they are? Speaking of no agency in particular, no one’s going to admit they only show up once a year.November 14, 2017 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #1403788GadolhadorahParticipant
There are many chassidish hashgachos that provide supervision outside of the larger concentrations of frum yidden, to the extent a local establishment wants to be able to offer the assurance of high standards of kashruth to its clientele.November 14, 2017 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1403810
OK. they reliably adhere to their standards.
Will you now eat there?
Because they said they’re reliable? LolNovember 14, 2017 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #1403815iacisrmmaParticipant
Not everybody thinks that chassidishah hashgachos have “high standards”. Many of those same hashgachos rely on the OU/Star-K/OK/Chaf-K mashgiach who is local to that area. Very rarely do you see such hashgachos on private establishments in areas with smaller frum populations.November 14, 2017 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #1403824
Saying that a hashgacha is reliable simply because it’s chassidish is naive.
Some are reliable, but some aren’t.November 14, 2017 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1403832jdbParticipant
Chassideshe or heimeshe hashgachos are smaller, and because they are smaller there are both advantages and disadvantages. If you speak to people with serious knowledge of industrial kashrus, you will be amazed. Life isn’t as simple as you think.
In general, call the Rav of the local frum shul, explain your standards and respectfully inquire about the vaad and if this would be equivalent to what you have in your local area. Most of the time, the local rav can give you an honest picture of the state of affairs – including what establishments are and are not to your standard. If you do not know enough about kashrus, especially industrial kashrus, to make an informed judgment, ask your rav. Many rabbanim, especially in EY, will call a local vaad or rabbanut for you and tell you if it’s to your standards.November 14, 2017 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #1403892feivelParticipant
there’s some great advice here. but sometimes if you’re lucky you dont even have to call and ask if they are reliable. some kashrus agencies have a website you can check to see if they’re reliable!
“The Triangle K symbol is a patented and trademarked logo that signifies “kashrut” as defined by the most stringent of Orthodox Jewish law. The organization offers its rabbinical supervision and certification on any ingredient or product that meets the strictest criteria of what makes such items kosher.
Triangle K is a symbol of integrity representing the most trusted and reliable name in strict rabbinical food certification.”November 14, 2017 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #1403897JosephParticipant
They answer to a higher authority.November 14, 2017 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #1403899
Feivel, that’s not going to work.November 15, 2017 12:15 am at 12:15 am #1403903yehudayonaParticipant
DY, I think Feivel was being facetious.November 15, 2017 7:19 am at 7:19 am #1403940
Oh, I know he was.November 15, 2017 8:37 am at 8:37 am #1403960abcd2Participant
The pizza store is run .by a frum person who is there always and has star k aside from cherry hill. The fleishig restaurant has ok certification aside from the vaad and has
mashgiach. The bagel store which solely has the cherry k l is trusted by the Chofetz Chaim
yeshiva and their Rebbeim and they even will get bagels there .
( the store does not have chalav Yisrael product).November 15, 2017 9:11 am at 9:11 am #1403966BenYishaiParticipant
Thanks to everyone for the responses and suggestions. I’ll keep them all in mind.
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