December 24, 2012 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm #607551shmoelMember
How far does the Chasam Sofer’s dictum apply?December 24, 2012 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #931847HaLeiViParticipant
Starting new threads.December 24, 2012 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #931848mddMember
Joe, not as far as you think.December 24, 2012 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #931849Josh31Participant
I would like to see it applied against some of the right wing innovations that shmoel and his fellow travelers are so enthusiastic about. Historically, most Torah Jews actually worked for a living.December 24, 2012 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #931850nishtdayngesheftParticipant
So you would want to translate the Chasam Sofer’s dictum to mean that Torah is osur min haTorah. I can see that certain groups feel that way.December 24, 2012 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #931851longarekelMember
It applies to wheat, barley, spelt, rye and oats. It applies to chassidim and non-chassidim alike. That’s right. Yoshon is not a chumra. Chodosh is assur min hatorah.December 24, 2012 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #931852NaftushMember
It would apply to all of Orthodoxy. Orthodoxy as a movement, going by that name, is a 19th-century novelty: a reaction to the Emancipation and the Reform.December 24, 2012 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #931853NechomahParticipant
Anything with a hechsher from Badatz Eda HaChareidit has no chodosh products in it. You will also see on products from Paskesz that they also indicate no chodosh (I think they say it is all yoshon).
From what I know, chodosh is d’oraisa in EY and d’rabbonon in chutz la’aretz. Many people in chu”l are becoming makpid on yoshon products as well and I know that even in LA there is a list of bakeries that have yoshon products.December 24, 2012 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #931854rebdonielMember
Naftush is 100% correct.
My reply to those who claim chadash assur min hatorah would be ein chiddush gadol mizeh.December 24, 2012 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm #931855zahavasdadParticipant
Glatt Kosher, I am sure the Chasam Sofer never heard of itDecember 24, 2012 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #931856HaLeiViParticipant
And it applies to the ‘Perushim’ as well, I guess.December 24, 2012 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #931857ToiParticipant
Sh’kol uznechah vi’azil.December 24, 2012 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #931858just my hapenceParticipant
How can chodosh be ossur if it doesn’t exist? Ein kol chodosh tachas hashomesh? ;-pDecember 24, 2012 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #931859Josh31Participant
“to mean that Torah is osur min haTorah”
Historically, a small tribe of Levi was well supported by the other 12 tribes. Moshe spread them into 48 small towns throughout the other 12 tribes.February 22, 2013 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #931860benignumanParticipant
“Chadosh assur min HaTorah” (as used by the Chasam Sofer) was not meant literally. Don’t mix up a sharp turn of phrase with a halachic principle.February 22, 2013 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #931861Yserbius123Participant
just my hapence:
Torah is Le’Maaloh min HaShemesh.
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