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  • #772799

    MDG
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    s2021,

    Look at the ingredients. If there is no sign of milk, then it might just be dairy equipment, as the OU does not use a “DE” designation.

    If you see no milk ingredients, you should call them (the OU) at 212-613-8241 and ask. They will tell you if it’s DE vs Dairy if you ask.

    Like Daas Yochid said, you can also be matir neder.

    Hatzlaha

    #772800

    MDG
    Participant

    s2021,

    I just found this link saying that the dairy component is batel:

    http://www.oukosher.org/index.php/common/article/dairy_english_muffins/

    OTOH, I apologize if I will sound harsh, and I don’t mean to preach. As far as I understand, you should ask a Rav about willfully intending to transgress a neder. It seems to have been a complicated situation.

    Hatzlaha Rabba

    #772801

    canine
    Member

    What is the halachic difference between cholov stam (“d”) and dairy equipment food(“de”)? If someone doesn’t eat CS, they usually are machmir on not eating DE as well?

    And can DE be eaten with fleishigs? Or after fleishigs (i.e. before 6 hours but not together with the fleishigs)?

    #772802

    cherrybim
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    What’s with these pritzus ads that are appearing on the left side of the page? Is it a hack job? Looks pretty bad for YW.

    #772803

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    What is the halachic difference between cholov stam (“d”) and dairy equipment food(“de”)? If someone doesn’t eat CS, they usually are machmir on not eating DE as well?

    And can DE be eaten with fleishigs? Or after fleishigs (i.e. before 6 hours but not together with the fleishigs)?

    In theory, since the halacha is clear that cholov akum makes utensils non-kosher, one who is makpid on CY should also be makpid on utensils. In practice, not everyone is. An important factor to consider is whether the equipment was used within the last 24 hours (“ben yomo”) or not (“eino ben yomo”). In the latter case, it would not be a problem.

    As far as eating together with fleishigs, again, it depends on when the last time the equipment was used for milchig. I’m referring to manufactured items; using your own milchig pots is a bit more complicated.

    Regarding waiting 6 hours, it is not required, even if it was a ben yomo.

    Of course, ask your posek.

    BTW, the OU does not use the DE designation, but other hechsherim do, and by calling the OU you can determine if a particular product has dairy ingredients or is merely manufactured on dairy utensils.

    #772804

    canine
    Member

    Daas: Since the cholov akum makes the utensils treif (as you’ve said), how does even aino ben yomo help?

    How can (some) people who are makpid on only eating CY, not be makpid on the utensils (considering the above issue)?

    And are you saying you can eat pareve food made with dairy equipment together WITH your fleishig meal, or only 5 minutes after your fleishig meal?

    #772805

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Daas: Since the cholov akum makes the utensils treif (as you’ve said), how does even aino ben yomo help?

    I never said the cholov akum makes the utensils treif, I said it in a general sense; I would not call cholov stam treif. Besides the fact that there is more than one legitimate heter to rely on, R’ Moshe, although recommending one be machmir, clearly writes that one who relies on it is not a “m’zalzel b’issurim”. I dare say that referring to “cholov stam” as “cholov akum” degrades R’ Moshe and anyone who relies on the heter.

    how does even aino ben yomo help?

    Because b’dieved, an aino ben yomo does not make the food ossur, because the absorbed flavors become “pogum,” bad tasting.

    How can (some) people who are makpid on only eating CY, not be makpid on the utensils (considering the above issue)?

    Either because we assume that the keilim are aino ben yomo, or because they only accepted CY as a chumra, and excepted keilim. I don’t understand this second approach, but it seems to be common.

    And are you saying you can eat pareve food made with dairy equipment together WITH your fleishig meal, or only 5 minutes after your fleishig meal?

    It depends on whether the equipment was ben yomo or not, and, if I recall correctly, whether it’s in your mouth at the same time.

    There is also a distinction between if the food was intentionally made to be served with fleishig, which is why I originally limited my response to manufactured items.

    #772806

    brotherofurs
    Participant

    i have a question:

    How can cy milk spoil faster if the only thing different about it is that it’s watched by a Jew??

    #772807

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    How can cy milk spoil faster if the only thing different about it is that it’s watched by a Jew??

    It wouldn’t spoil as fast if it was in the refrigerator when he watches it.

    #772808

    MDG
    Participant

    Often C”Y is not treated with the same care as C”A (or C”C – chalav companies).

    When I lived “in town” the local kosher store would sometimes get a shipment of C”Y and it would be next to the fridge for a while (maybe an hour) until the worker put it in the fridge. It often did not last well after I bought it.

    Now that I live OOT, the C”Y comes to a large, regular supermarket. When they get the C”Y they put it in the walk-in fridge and the milk stays good well past the due date.

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