July 13, 2015 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #1091639
I think that people should stop referring to it as chalav stam. It is a pejorative term created by those who disagreed with r’ moshes psak. His psak covers what he calls chalav hacompanies.
and to a lesser degree:
(yes, you are 100% wrong in calling it chalav stam. if it was cholov stam nobody would be eating it)
certainly sound like they’re saying that it’s not merely the way the term is used here which is pejorative. So, I’m glad you clarified, because we wouldn’t want someone seeing the term used innocently and think there was anything wrong with it.July 13, 2015 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm #1091640🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
feel free to take anything you want out of context. if you are going to worry about the defense, and not concern yourself with all the dialogue it addresses that “someone might see” that is your prerogative.July 13, 2015 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #1091641
If you think I haven’t concerned myself with the dialogue, you clearly have not read or understood all of my posts on the matter, in effect, taking my words very much out of context.July 14, 2015 2:08 am at 2:08 am #1091642zahavasdadParticipant
In Gan eden would you rather eat Haagen Daze or Mehadrin?July 14, 2015 2:55 am at 2:55 am #1091643
Whether it makes more sense to take on yoshon or cholov Yisroel is an interesting question. Putting aside practical considerations (which you can’t actually do in real life), it would seem that yoshon would come first. After all, it’s a shailah of a d’Oraisa, whereas cholov Yisroel is a shailah of a d’rabbobon. Also, the sevaros to be mattir cholov stam seem stronger than the heterim for chodosh.
However, there are a couple of reasons that some do the opposite. Obviously, there are cultural reasons.
There is also some kind of chassidishe mesorah not to be makpid on yoshon (which I don’t understand) as well as extreme importance placed on cholov Yisroel from a kabbalah perspective.
There’s also an interesting halachic perspective, which I heard from an adam gadol. Because yoshon was so hard to obtain in Europe, it was an almost universal practice to not be makpid on yoshon, and the wide usage of the heter in practice makes it more halachah l’maaseh. The heter for cholov stam, however, has a shorter history and less universal acceptance.July 14, 2015 3:50 am at 3:50 am #1091644newbeeMember
Joseph, I’m sure its hard being surrounded by people who indulge in more gashmius than you do and have it (seemingly) easier than you do and how you dont get any recognition for the extra work put in and mesiras nefesh you undergo.
Its hard living life without recognition. I dont know if the coffee room here is the best place to get it and vent, but when we have true bitchaon that Hashem will reward us fairly, it makes it easier to live without recognition from mere basar veh’dam. I know, easier said than done.July 14, 2015 4:48 am at 4:48 am #1091645JosephParticipant
newbee: I can’t speak from your perspective, but from mine it is quite unburdensome to keep CY. And I’ve yet to meet anyone seeking recognition for it. (But then again, I haven’t met you. If you feel you could use some extra schar, no one’s stopping you from joining the club. It has open membership.)July 14, 2015 8:56 am at 8:56 am #1091646RedlegParticipant
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