January 13, 2009 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #589137yashrus20Member
A friend of mine would like to know about yeshiva options for boys in college (he doesnt have a SN so he asked me to post this, but chas vishalom i would ever pos such a thing for myself lol :))January 14, 2009 12:25 am at 12:25 am #631348asdfghjklParticipant
there’s always touro for boys on ave j!! lol chas vishalom sch a thing for you!!! never ever!!!January 14, 2009 1:47 am at 1:47 am #6313492009Participant
Madregas Hadam in the 5 Towns, also Landers college for men in Queens. Shor Yashuv in Lawrence.January 14, 2009 2:03 am at 2:03 am #631350RoshYeshivahMember
Yashrus I’m starting to doubt your yashrus lol.January 14, 2009 3:43 am at 3:43 am #631351
i’m in the mood to start a (??healthy??) debate, so here goes:
what would be wrong with a “real” college?January 14, 2009 4:46 am at 4:46 am #631352
TOHSGUY- You start. What do you think: What would be wrong with a “real” college?January 14, 2009 5:00 am at 5:00 am #631353
anony – i’m so curious as to what seminary you went to. that last comment of yours sounds VERY familiar…January 14, 2009 5:00 am at 5:00 am #631354beaconParticipant
highschoolguy- Real as opposed to fake?January 14, 2009 5:09 am at 5:09 am #631355
bkly-where’d u go?January 14, 2009 5:13 am at 5:13 am #631356
You just gave yourself dead away, bklyn, but don’t worry, I won’t blow your cover. I am literally ROTFL!!!!!!!January 14, 2009 5:27 am at 5:27 am #631357
can’t say! but question: did you have a similar debate where everyone had to defend the opposite side?January 14, 2009 5:33 am at 5:33 am #631358
anony – WHO ARE YOU?!?!?! come on give me a hint!January 14, 2009 6:47 am at 6:47 am #631359labochurMember
Check into TTI- testing and teaching international, with a large selection of Jewish courses. e.g. chumash, gemoro, shmiras haloshon, moadim, etc. Then they get a college diploma through Excelsior Colledge (A real Colledge- i hope that’s ok)
Also, I’d check out AHS-they have a website.January 14, 2009 9:45 am at 9:45 am #631360chaimssParticipant
I’m in Sh’or Yoshuv, and I also go to Queens College. They’re very open to that option, and only insist on coming for First Seder and Shiur (although I come for night Seder as well). Many people go to Touro, some go to Queens, and one person even goes to Yale(!!!)
Otherwise, Landers in Queens is great, as is Ner Yisroel in Baltimore (you get a Bachelors in Talmudic Law- a respected law undergrad degree, and if you follow through, a Masters in one of a number of things from various “real” colleges in the area for only two nights a week).January 14, 2009 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #631361qawsMember
Many yeshiva’s give you a BTL just for being in the yeshiva. With a BTL, you can get into many masters programs.January 14, 2009 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #631362
TOHSG – you know there are plenty of things wrong with “regular” college! I could start a list, but there is no reason to start a heated debate when things are going smoothly at the moment! Don’t stir up trouble for no reason.
What does he want to do? If he wants to go to law school, a BTL is a great option. He will also have to study to take the LSATs, but from what I hear, if you have a gemara cup, its just a matter of learning how to take the test, rather than the subject matter.
If he wants to go to medical school, a BTL is ok, but he also will have to do his pre-med requirements. If he wants a profession that has no connection to a BTL, then it won’t help to get one. Can you get us some more information please?January 14, 2009 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #631363WolfishMusingsParticipant
A friend of mine would like to know about yeshiva options for boys in college
Well, there are a few questions that should be answered here:
1. What does your friend want to study? Not every program is offered in every school.
2. Where is your friend located? What’s the maximum amount of travel time he’s willing to allow himself?
3. What is his budget?
4. How does he feel about the possibility of co-ed classes or classes outside of a yeshivish environment? Does he feel that he can handle that, or does he solely want to remain in a males-only (assuming your friend is a male) Jewish only (or pretty much Jewish) environment?
5. Does he plan to go for further education after his Bachelor’s?
In short, any additional information you can give us will help us with suggestions.
The WolfJanuary 14, 2009 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #631364myshadowMember
There’s Rabbi Fisher and Rabbi Rotkin’s yeshivas in brooklyn, a lot of boys there are in college at night. Or like Chaimss said Shor Yashuv in Far RockawayJanuary 14, 2009 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #631365
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what about for those who dont live in NY??? There are Jews outside of the heilege state of NY and Baltimore! Anything online…since we all have some sort of connection to the internet if we are in the cr….January 14, 2009 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #631367intellegentMember
Firstly, Baltimore is NOT a state. Secondly, what on earth is the shaichus bet baltimore and NY????????January 14, 2009 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #631368labochurMember
Do you have to take any english classes to get a Bachelors in talmudic law?January 14, 2009 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #631369Feif UnParticipant
TOHIGHSCHOOLGUY: Don’t you know? A real college means you actually want to get a real job. We all learned in the Coffee Room that working is only a b’dieved, and isn’t nearly as good as living off of your in-laws. That’s the problem.
Ok, I used up my sarcasm for the day.
Here are some advantages of going to a college besides for Touro:
You’d get a real education. Touro is a joke.
It’s a lot cheaper. Tuition in Brooklyn College runs about $2,500 per semester, if I recall correctly. Touro runs about $6,000.
Touro doesn’t have much of a job placement office. After you graduate, you’re really on your own. Other colleges have a much better program to set you up with interviews and contacts.January 14, 2009 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #631370
(sorry about the large portion of bold, I wrote the code wrong)January 14, 2009 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #631371havesomeseichelMember
I said “helige state of NY and Baltimore”… baltimore is a city, i know. i should have said it “Baltimore and the helige state of NY”…. what I meant was that all the options seem to be for people in those two states. what about people in texas, florida, illinois, ohio, california, missouri and all the other states that jews live in (almost all except montana i think… and maybe utah)?January 14, 2009 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #631372Pashuteh YidMember
Baltimore is very flexible and moves around from state to state. You never know which state it will be in at any given time.January 14, 2009 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #631373oomisParticipant
My son went to Lander College in Queens and it was EXCELLENT. The shiurim are wonderful, as are the rebbeim, and the education is really terrific. We were very happy.January 14, 2009 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #631374gavra_at_workParticipant
There are even Jews in Jackson Hole Wyoming! (no yeshivas (or kosher food)).
Yashrus: Agree with Wolf that you have to give more details, such as where this person wants to live, prices of college tuition, and what degree they want. There are many colleges that allow night classes (meant for working students) and will not interfere with first and second seder, if you are willing to take it slow and go during the summer.January 14, 2009 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #631375intellegentMember
Would you open a kosher grocery in a city where there are only 4 jews? People who open these jewish college programs do it to make money, not to do you a personal favor. It’s only worth it for them if there is a demand. That is part of why many people chose to live “in town”. It is just so much more convenient. If you chose to live elsewhere you have to realize that it comes along with some cons although I’m sure there are many pros as well. You can’t expect to live in Alaska and everyone else should come running after you to take care of you.
What do you mean by that?January 14, 2009 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #631376areivimzehlazehParticipant
what’s wrong with the YWN college? completely frum, excellent job placement/opportunities, and very high level of education. You even have to do a physical (ask mod99- or was it mod72?)January 14, 2009 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #631377yashrus20Member
Rosh Yeshiva-Yashrus??colege is the contradiction of whats yashrus lol, jk depends for who. If its for someone who cant handle learning or wtvr other reason then your right but for me it wouldent be yashrus to go to college.
Cantoresq-YU hmmm…I asked for a yeshiva!
Wolf/gavra_at_work-Dont yell at me my friend is the one who asked the Q! lol But your right, hopefuly tom ill have more info. Thanks everyone. 🙂January 14, 2009 9:52 pm at 9:52 pm #631378
Feif un, I’ve been through the college/university gamut. I’ll tell you this much, touro vs prestigious university = they’re all a joke in terms of getting a “real” education. That’s what real life and self-motivation is for. Even Ivy league colleges are pathetic in terms of teaching content.January 14, 2009 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #631379veyatzivMember
You can even get a bachelor’s degree from BMG! I know someone who did.January 14, 2009 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #631380areivimzehlazehParticipant
yes veyatziv- BMG & YWN CR, same thingJanuary 14, 2009 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #631381
No hints, brooklyn! Sorry:( You’re on your own for this one!January 15, 2009 12:04 am at 12:04 am #631382
Cantoresq-YU hmmm…I asked for a yeshiva!
And I suggeested one. You may disagree with TuM, and that disagreement may even be intellectually honest and not merely a “party line” which you don’t understand or even adhere to. But you cannot EVER take away or deny the serious high level limud haTorah that occurs in that certain Bet Midrash on Amsterdam Avenue and 185th St. every day.January 15, 2009 12:10 am at 12:10 am #631383squeakParticipant
CH”V, of course not cantoresq. There is limud hatorah there. But as long as those loimdei torah continue to associate themselves with those who criticize the Torah CH”V, I begin to question what is going on. Are they ignorant of it? Complicit? Do they just need the space and have a heter for using YU?January 15, 2009 12:38 am at 12:38 am #631384JosephParticipant
Feif, you call Touro a joke but yell bloody murder when others call YU a joke (for whatever reason) and you demand an apology. Are you going to apologize to Touro for publicly besmirching them?January 15, 2009 1:15 am at 1:15 am #631385
What’s wrong with a “real” college … I don’t know … that’s why I am asking.
In addition, the reason that I put real in quotations was for precisely that reason. The general perception is that Touro, Landers etc. is a lower level of education than most secular universities. I have heard this from others who are either there, or know about it.
I don’t know about anyone else here, but most Universities provide a higher level of education, and base salaries are generaly lower if you come from a “touro/landers” style program.January 15, 2009 1:31 am at 1:31 am #631386JosephParticipant
According to US News & World Report, Touro grads make on average as much as some of the Ivy League colleges.January 15, 2009 4:10 am at 4:10 am #631387
TOHSguy – baloney. Like I said I’ve been to both, Touro and highly regarded universities. The learning stinks everywhere. In addition, when you land a job they’re looking at your personal accomplishments and motivation, not at where you graduated from.January 15, 2009 4:16 am at 4:16 am #631388
curious … thanks for the insightJanuary 15, 2009 4:26 am at 4:26 am #631389
Your welcome. BTW I got accepted to any ivy league school after getting my previous degree from a “low-key/nerdy” school. They look at your resume, GPA, etc. Same thing when you get a job..January 15, 2009 4:28 am at 4:28 am #631390
Curious- Yes, personal accomplishments and motivation are very important. However, I respectfully disagree with the beginning of that statement. Employers most definitely do look at what school prospective employees attended.January 15, 2009 4:45 am at 4:45 am #631391Josh31Participant
A Real College is one that the job that you get after graduation pays enough that the loans you took out for tuition are not much of a burden!!!January 15, 2009 4:52 am at 4:52 am #631392
anonymiss – disagree for the most part. If you want to land a competitive law job as a new grad, maybe. Otherwise, sorry, in real life they want an intelligent warm body.
Agree with Josh31.January 15, 2009 5:49 am at 5:49 am #631393
Curious, yes, I was thinking of law when I wrote that.January 15, 2009 6:16 am at 6:16 am #631395
No hints, brooklyn! Sorry:( You’re on your own for this one!
…cheapskate! i wait all day for your answer and that’s all you have to offer?!?!? disgusting!!!January 15, 2009 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #631396
CH”V, of course not cantoresq. There is limud hatorah there. But as long as those loimdei torah continue to associate themselves with those who criticize the Torah CH”V, I begin to question what is going on. Are they ignorant of it? Complicit? Do they just need the space and have a heter for using YU?
I’m not sure to what you refer, Squeak. Two issues come to mind, but I won’t prognostocate. If you want address specifics, we can, but you have to first articulate your issue. I assume however that you are addressing yourself to YU’s teaching of biblical criticism as part of its Bible studies. If that is the general nature of your concern, are you prepared to write out of Orthodoxy and thus out of legitimate Judaism, R. Esriel Hildesheimer, R. Dovid Zvi Hoffman and the Seridei Eish since Biblical criticism was taught and highly respected in the Berlin Seminary?January 15, 2009 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm #631397
There are a few schools of thought on college – in many cases, its better to be top at a “lower” university, than average at a “top” one. This is very true for medical school, from what my friends have told me.
Yes, there is a difference in the caliber of education between certain top schools and lower ones. In engineering, for example, MIT is highly regarded as putting out the top engineers. But, if you graduate from CCNY, Polytech, Stephen’s or RPI, you will be able to get a great job also. As a general rule, someone from MIT has a much better work ethic than from other schools because it is so competitive.
Touro is a fine school. They have a very decent education, depending on what you want to do. If you want to be a marine biologist, then its not for you.
Sometimes, the name of the college you went to gets your name through the door (true no matter where you went to college), and after that its really what you’ve done.
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