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Does the color of someones shirt REALLY make a difference when you really think about it?? What is the difference whether my son wears blue or white shirts? where did white shirts come from?
’tis not the shirt, but the choice of the wearer in deciding with whom he wishes to identify.
If one wears a white shirt, he’s shtark. If one wears a colored shirt, there’s something off. I’m just kidding, color of shirt means absolutely nothing. People made a big deal out of it because that’s what we like to do.. But in reality as long as your son is dressed nicely and presentable, he could wear a pink shirt for all I care
No, not REALLY. So why don’t you just go along with the yeshiva’s rules since it makes no real difference to you.
It depends. Is your son a penguin? Waiter? Mortician? Does he play an instrument at the Met? Some yeshivas have decided, that like those professions a white shirt identifies one with the yeshiva, either wear the uniform or enroll elsewhere. I personally send my sons to a yeshiva whose dress code calls for button down shirts that must be either white or light blue with variations on both that allows for some sort of pinstripe. I personally only wear a white shirt when I wear a suit (which I do not wear for work).
This is about the thousand thread about this. Shticky maybe you wanna I find the link.
It depends on the environment.
For example, when I go into the BMG, I want to see white shirts. Blue shirts would
make me think something is wrong.
There is something to the manner of dress that translates to supporting the perception
of a higher madrayga, in my opinion.
The yeshiva/kollel uniform is usually a white shirt. if someone is enrolled, he must dress the part. Period. A baalhabos on the other hand should dress for HIS role. If I work in a distribution company so I wear colored button down shirts. My son in yeshiva should dress like a yeshiva bochur. It’s a matter of identifying and being proud of who you are and what you do in life. A yeshiva bochur with a colored shirt, is not how he should dress (if his yeshiva has the white shirt dress code policy). I don’t feel a white shirt for me is appropriate in the work place. Ultimately, we should respect one another, color or white shirts wearers alike, and look beyond the clothes and see the Tzelem Elokim in every yid.
It’s an identity thing, like everyone is saying.
Does the color of your army uniform really make a difference in who you are fighting for? No, but if you want people to know which team you’re on, you might want to wear the right color. And if you are on one team and wear the other color, you are probably retarded.
Unfortunately, some people believe the tzelem elokim is dressed in a white shirt.
So why do people in Lakewood who work wear white shirts?
I believe Adam Harishon was created “btzelem Elokim” and was not wearing a white shirt. Black hat, maybe? white shirt.. I think not!
just adding i heard that even in some yeshivos in europe they wore colored shirts
“to supporting the perception of a higher madrayga”
Dressing to advertise how holy you are is a new phenomenon.
It is not a new phenomenon – in gemoro times already the talmidei chachomim would wear special robes and turbans to identify them as such.
Marines don’t wear the same uniform as infantrymen of the army, pilots in the airforce or sailors in the navy. They are all members of the same armed forces under the leadership of the same commander in chief though. Their roles are different but always complimentary to each other while all working towards the same goal. Sure there is playful bickering and rivalry among the different branches of the armed forces, but when push comes to shove, on the battlefield they all have each others backs while fighting for the same goal. As long as they see the appropriate flag sewn into the uniform, they know who is on their side.
“just adding i heard that even in some yeshivos in europe they wore colored shirts”
You don’t have to go back to Europe to find bachurim wearing colored shirts. Less than 30 years ago when I was in high school in Yeshiva of Staten Island many older bachurim wore blue and brown shirts. We used to debate who was a “greaseball” and one opinion was someone who wore brown pants and a blue shirt and vice versa.
But why should white shirts be the uniform for yeshiva students?
But why should white shirts be the uniform for yeshiva students?
I don’t assume there is a reason for picking that uniform. There was also no reason why the union had to wear blue and the confederates gray.
Corey, if I see that, I know it means the white shirt is a costume and it might as well be blue stripes with pink polka dots.
Perhaps next year it will be green shirts.
Well, when I was in yeshiva they allowed and still allow only blue shirts and white shirts. No designs just plain blue or white. When you allow just one color people feel restricted and they look for ways to break the rules (designs, colored collars etc…). On the other hand to let all colors is to much. Way before I was there they allowed any button down shirt, and that was a problem because it became a fashion show.
There is no question that a white shirt is more formal, perhaps more classy. Yeshiva bochurim, especially those in yeshivos influenced by the Alter of Slabodka and his mussar philosophy of Gadlus Ha’adam, would naterually gravitate to that which is perceived to be with more “Shtoltz” then with say blue stripes and pink polka dots.
Corey, my point is that if someone is behaving the way you describe, then the white shirt is just a costume because they’re not living up to what the white shirt represents.
popa: Actually, there was a reason. The union uniforms were blue because that was the united states army uniform of the time. The confederate uniforms were gray because gray dye was cheap.
Happens that there are certain times and places where it is a mitzva to wear colored shirts.
“in gemoro times already the talmidei chachomim would wear special robes and turbans to identify them as such”
Many years of learning and mastery preceded them wearing such clothing.
Look these things go in spurts. When I was in high school and Bais Medresh in the 80s almost NO ONE wore white shirts. We wore colored dress shirts. My wonderful nephews looked at a picture of myself and their father in amazement like “OMG we were wearing blue shirts!”
Let him wear what he wants to wear and dont fight his fight. You will be better off and so will he!
Marines don’t wear the same uniform as infantrymen of the army, pilots in the airforce or sailors in the navy. They are all members of the same armed forces under the leadership of the same commander in chief though.
What does our Commander In Chief wear while smoking and drinking beer?
But if someone wears a very nice blue and green striped dry cleaned shirt. And he’s tucked in looking like a mensch does he get the same respect on the street as someone whos wearing a white shirt, but is talking disgustingly and smoking?? we all know the one with the white shirt is one who is precived as the “Ben Torah” and the one with colored is considered fried… WHY???
Perhaps a miut of people actualy do think this way but in general I think “we all know” that it is nonsense. We all think that the others think this way when in actuality most people probably have seichel and don’t think this way. Just because everybody wears white shirts doesn’t mean that everybody thinks that those who don’t aren’t frum.
why is gthis thread stickied?
I was reading Rav Mendle Kaplan’s Torah thoughts, he wrote that when non Jewish men in the olden days would dress neat, wear a suit, a hat, they would dresss menchlitkiet they would behave better, but now as clothing became more casual, they would wear shorts, jeans ect, their behavior became worse, turning to the Jewish men he said, when they dress like a yeshiva boy should look (the Alter’s gadlus haodom’s Derech), they behave better.
In conclusion how you dress, can affect how you behave.
Why is this sticky thread? Just askin’.
whys it sticky?
fact is 9 outof 10 times you compare a white shirt vs blue shirt yeshiva, the white shirt team will win color war. so i wanna be on that team.
42. I believe he is a bermuda shorts and flip flops type of a guy. Not sure if he is a lite beer drinker though.
The dress code is already changing. White shirts are passe. A finely starched Brooks Brothers or other high end shirt with the latest style “elvis like” tight pants (minus the bell bottoms), the latest trend in glasses and loafers are all the rage now. As are Aeropostale polos and ts for the summer and their sweatshirts for the fall.
In 1994 IBM gave up the White Shirt, and it then pulled out of a nose dive has done quite well since then. Too bad I did not buy IBM stock in 1994.
Shulchan Aruch Orach Chayim 53:18. That is all I have to say on this issue.
Mods: Thanx for bringing this thread down onto the main page. Sticky colored shirts are for sure unsuitable for anyone to wear.
The shirt doesn’t make the man into a yeshiva bochur. Anyone can wear a white shirt. It’s the man fills the shirt.
Thank goodness there are still a few yeshivas out there in the velt that can see more in their bochurim then the color of their shirts. My son’s dress code is for “conservative” button down shirts. That’s where the blue often comes in.
Years ago, when my husband was there, guys wore color shirts at Mirrer. They’d probably be kicked out now.
I don’t think I own any single color shirts (aside from my shabbos shirts). They’re all mixtures of all sorts of colors, mostly orange, brown, tan, peach, and other “fall” colors. I love those.
I once had a rebbi come over to me and say “You know how many nice ties you can make from your shirt?”
“Years ago, when my husband was there, guys wore color shirts at Mirrer. They’d probably be kicked out now. “
Or, they wouldn’t be allowed in from the beginning. B’dieved, if they got in, and C”V someone took a photograph, they could always be photoshopped out. It’s been done.
Let’s call the boy by its name here. A non-white shirt in many yeshivas is tantamount to insubordination and heresy.
yay mp. thats so warm and fuzzy.
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